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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by t0mas88 »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #25
m463 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this should be recommended in the UI. The car DOES have maintenance needs. Lots of people in models X & S are surprised to find their seemingly ok tires are NOT OK because they wear very quickly on the non-visible inside edge. there are brakes on the car, which have pads and fluid. There is coolant for the battery. Honestly, there should be a maintenance screen in the UI. You should be able to replace tires, or w…

The regular inspection for ICE vehicles is centered around oil changes, air filter change (engine, not cabin), valve checks and distribution chain/belt changes. Everything else, from brake pads (wear sensors entered the chat), tires (life varies a lot, from 10k km to over 40k km for cars), windshield wipers (no determined lifetime, change it when it breaks) to brake fluid (recommended to change every 3 years) are don…

Sure, but why wouldn't Tesla write some software for those items like other car brands do? Let the driver know it's time to replace the brake fluid, tell the driver the estimated wear (+ sensor warning) on the brake pads?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by Dinux »

Sofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the glass within a couple or hours. Here in The Netherlands inspections are mandatory for all cars every 1/2 years. I've noticed the tires may not be as durable as they should be but no idea how they stack up against another EV.

Anything you use and use a lot needs maintenance, especially if you rely on it, that goes for you're electric toothbrush as wel as your car. Its a utopica to think EVs somehow need less upkeep.

Sure build quality can be improved here and there, and over the last 4 years I have seen Tesla's cars become better. To me regular OTA updates, up-to-date map, apps, an actual working charging network and range are more important than having all the panels aligned withing a couple of milimeters.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by t0mas88 »

ketkev wrote: post #12
t0mas88 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla's roll out of the factory with things out of limits all the time. Headlights being a big thing, not adjusted within the rules for the TUV (or Dutch APK) even when the car is brand new.

I swear that most model 3's I see in Europe have their headlights adjusted up so high that they're still looking for German aircraft. It's blinding.

Indeed, they seem all misaligned. Often one light is used for aircraft defence and the other to shine directly into potholes.

Quality assurance after assembly is apparently not a thing for Tesla.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by j4yav »

cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

This seems to indicate suspension problems are common, despite being part of the drivetrain: https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by peyton »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #4
Hamuko wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the "no services" one of the things that all Tesla owners advertise?

That's just freedom of speech[1] /s [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/tesla-claims-its-f...

That article relates to self-driving, not faults. Reliability is a big enough topic that it’s hard to read this comment as much more than cruelty.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by AdrianB1 »

hef19898 wrote: post #22
lnsru wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has some recommendations in user manual. I almost bought model y. So I saw, that there is recommendation to check brakes after winter and salty roads or something alike. I also guess, that any other repair shop could do generic check as well. Teslas have brakes, suspensions, brake fluids and many other “normal” parts.

Sure, Tesla has some things in the user manual. A workshop so needs specific task lists in the workshop manual, otherwise the inspection varies by day and person doing it. Because without said workshop manuals, mechanics are left out in the cold with regards to what has to be done. Propably includes a liability risk, you follow approved check lists from the OEM and you are propably save if something happens. You don'…

There is no specific task list in the workshop manual. I had cars and motorcycles of various brands and, except for Mazda, nobody has a good list, while Mazda pretends to have one. Even in good car shops, brand or no brand, including the one owned by my family, there is no official list for a "good check", they just ask you: "what do you want checked?". Why? Because if you ask them to check everything, like Mazda says it does, it will cost a lot for little benefits. And car shops will be happy to charge labor for "checks".

The best checks I get is when I ask my cousin (owner of a car shop, certified to do inspections): "take my car for a couple of days as your daily driver, if you notice anything wrong then fix it". Otherwise the official testing includes: suspension and direction (includes indirectly wheel bearing), brakes, emissions, headlight alignment, rust or corrosion signs, tire integrity and wear vs indicator, brake fluid level, antifreeze level, washer fluid level, signs of fluid leakage in the engine compartment or at wheels. That's it.

I read the instruction manuals from all my cars and motorcycles. They are a minimum, in my opinion, I check myself a lot more, regularly.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by bmitc »

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

peyton wrote: post #35
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just freedom of speech[1] /s [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/tesla-claims-its-f...

That article relates to self-driving, not faults. Reliability is a big enough topic that it’s hard to read this comment as much more than cruelty.

But seems like the attitude towards freedom of speech applies also to other parts of the marketing strategy of Tesla, no?

Reliability could be a bigger argument, but let's be honest at a certain point, the Tesla price point should at least make it score higher than low end cars in the linked chart, don't you think so?

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