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Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Nothing EU specific. Most (all?) European countries have a very different view on freedom of speech than the US.

"Europe 2.0" aka "the usa" has a better free speech implementation than "Europe 1.0". So yes different as in bad.

What's your evidence for the assessment?

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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What authoritarian agenda? What commission?

For example, they were happy about social media platforms censoring or otherwise suppressing content which opposed the COVID19 vaccine mandates; they didn't raise any alarms there while there was actual substantial manipulation of the algorithms involved... But now that X has mostly removed filtering and manipulations from the algorithms, they begin proceedings against it! Just because they don't like the kind of con…

Not sure what the issue is? European countries not being allowed to have their own culture around speech (which rolls up into the EU to some extent)?

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Interesting that it is timed with the recent launch of Threads in EU. Will definitely establish a compliance benchmark for X. But the big problem for X is that Musk burned so many bridges with fired employees that the list of whistleblowers for any issues will be endless.

> But the big problem for X is that Musk burned so many bridges with fired employees that the list of whistleblowers for any issues will be endless.

That is great, I don't think any company should rely on employee trust to keep illegal practices under wraps. If you put it like this maybe it would be good for Meta to piss off their employees also so we can also get some insight into their illegal practices.

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Interesting that it is timed with the recent launch of Threads in EU. Will definitely establish a compliance benchmark for X. But the big problem for X is that Musk burned so many bridges with fired employees that the list of whistleblowers for any issues will be endless.

I think the timing is _probably_ coincidental, more down to a bunch of different things happening in European law currently than anything else. The Threads delay seems to be down to Digital Markets Act compliance tweaks (the DMA entered into force earlier this year); this is under the Digital Services Act, which enters into force in two weeks. > These are the first formal proceedings launched by the Commission to enf…

>A mere 3 years! This is, in fairness, quite proactive by EC standards.

Isn't that just because EU rules have quite long transition periods to give companies time to comply with the new rules? GDPR had a two-year transition period before enforcement, and even then there was tons of complaints towards the end of the two-year period on how there just wasn't enough time to comply.

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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If the recent leak about the moderation policies for Twitter is correct, they don't actually want to remove that kind of content. So it might not be a matter of not having enough moderators right now but also an intentional policy decision to not sanction posts like this. I can't find an English source here and the original is paywalled, but from a German article ( https://www.heise.de/news/Leak-Leugnung-des-Holocaus…

Bloody hell, that was an _example of a Tweet that they were okay with, in training material_?!

It isn't inciting violence, and despite what people say about Germans we haven't actually outlawed humor. The joke might be tasteless or insensitive, but I doubt it's illegal.

Of course many platforms wouldn't want such content on their platform, but there is also a vocal portion of people who have long called for platforms to behave more like town halls or public plazas, letting public discourse run uncensored as long as it isn't illegal. That's exactly what Musk seems to be doing

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Interesting that Community Notes is mentioned, because it's by far the most reliable anti-"disinformation" mechanism I've seen. The "bluecheck" system has been absolutely wrecked, though. Even with the haphazard patching of grey and gold ticks, a bluecheck more often than not is the sign of self-promoted nonsense.

Did people actually rely on the bluechecks anyway in the first place? For me it was at best a slight help if I was trying to find a celebrity that had impersonators. I would be surprised if I’m a very typical user of course. But still I had the impression the bluecheck system was fondly replaced.

It was actually a great system. All those Elon free crypto giveaway scam accounts could make a profile that looked exactly like Elon Musk, but they couldn't get that blue check. It was great when it was a completely neutral system to state only "this account is who it says it is." But then they ruined it by removing the checks from people with unpopular political opinions, even though they were in fact the official account of that person, and then it became seen as a sort of political endorsement from Twitter.

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the recent leak about the moderation policies for Twitter is correct, they don't actually want to remove that kind of content. So it might not be a matter of not having enough moderators right now but also an intentional policy decision to not sanction posts like this. I can't find an English source here and the original is paywalled, but from a German article ( https://www.heise.de/news/Leak-Leugnung-des-Holocaus…

It's a pretty bad dark joke, but considering it illegal? Especially by an american company, freedom of speech and all that?

The Germans are not famous for making jokes about killing Jews, and their market: their rules.

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Nothing EU specific. Most (all?) European countries have a very different view on freedom of speech than the US.

Yes, specifically that people shouldn't have it.

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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I’m curious if X will manage to build up the moderation tools and automation without rehiring as many moderators as they used to have. Looking at the requirements, some of those challenging - preventing fast dissemination of illegal content.

Having tried the "Added context" contributions, I think Twitter solved the moderation. It simply works. There's an abundance of free labor and it scales linearly with controversy/spread.

>It simply works.

Does it? Because I've seen it used to spread all sorts of bullshit, including against Musk/X.

One case that comes to my mind when Musk wanted to make blocking to work the same as muting, and the false claim of it being against Apple's App Store rules was added as context.

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