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Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by wuiheerfoj »

evilpie wrote: post #25
cubefox wrote: post #21

This reads like a stolen and automatically translated German article. The end suddenly talks as if the current website is PCGH.de, and contains the German sounding phrase "your opinion is asked". The mentioning of the sources doesn't provide any links and inexplicably says "those" instead of "source".

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Internet-Thema-34041/News/AVM... Also one of the headings was mistranslated horribly. In linked the article: "AVM threatens to ban the sale of Fritzbox routers". The original in German: "AVM droht Verkaufsverbot für Fritzbox-Router". Right translation is roughly: "AVM is threatened with a ban on the sale of Fritzbox routers".

I think the linked article title sounds more natural in English

Edit: Ahhh wait AVM is being threatened with a ban, my mistake

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by arp242 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #30
arp242 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What GPL violations? I can't really find anything on than a single case from 2011 where AVM tried to prevent another company from distributing modified firmware for their routers. There's a lot of things you can say about that, but it's arguably not really a "GPL violation" as commonly understood, and a single incident in almost 40 years of history doesn't make a company "notorious".

Back in 2020 they also attempted to stop the sale of modified AVM second hand products running custom firmware based on the code they had to publish because of the GPL restrictions. They're still trying very hard to prevent people from modifying their hardware after purchase. The freedom to take a device and modify it to run your own changes is what the GPL is all about. Let's not forget the modern open source moveme…

> Back in 2020 they also attempted to stop the sale of modified AVM second hand products running custom firmware

I can't find anything on that.

(and it's not that I disbelieve you, but details do matter, so very high-level descriptions isn't something I can really do anything with).

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by pantalaimon »

arp242 wrote: post #32
jeroenhd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in 2020 they also attempted to stop the sale of modified AVM second hand products running custom firmware based on the code they had to publish because of the GPL restrictions. They're still trying very hard to prevent people from modifying their hardware after purchase. The freedom to take a device and modify it to run your own changes is what the GPL is all about. Let's not forget the modern open source moveme…

> Back in 2020 they also attempted to stop the sale of modified AVM second hand products running custom firmware I can't find anything on that. (and it's not that I disbelieve you, but details do matter, so very high-level descriptions isn't something I can really do anything with).

https://www.heise.de/select/ct/2020/8/2006507573746296454

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by bityard »

marvion wrote: post #11

Weird choice of this site to mention their sources, but not linking them. - Heise reported this originally: https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Fritzboxen-AVM-verliert-Pat... - Golem basically summarized the Heise article: https://www.golem.de/news/patentklagen-avm-droht-vertriebsve...

Appreciate the links. Although one is in German and the other is also in German and seems to be behind a paywall.

As an aside, it is common for news sites to only provide links back to their own earlier articles (even when the connection to the present story is tenuous at best), never to sources or extra information outside of their web property. Unfortunately it is not a weird choice, it's an industry-wide standard practice.

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by mrks_hy »

cubefox wrote: post #27
marvion wrote: post #11

Weird choice of this site to mention their sources, but not linking them. - Heise reported this originally: https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Fritzboxen-AVM-verliert-Pat... - Golem basically summarized the Heise article: https://www.golem.de/news/patentklagen-avm-droht-vertriebsve...

And the article seems to be a stolen version of this German one: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Internet-Thema-34041/News/AVM...

Yeah @dang maybe possible to replace the submission link with the original article passed through translate, e.g. https://www-pcgameshardware-de.translate.goog/Internet-Thema... ?

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by mrks_hy »

bityard wrote: post #34
marvion wrote: post #11

Weird choice of this site to mention their sources, but not linking them. - Heise reported this originally: https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Fritzboxen-AVM-verliert-Pat... - Golem basically summarized the Heise article: https://www.golem.de/news/patentklagen-avm-droht-vertriebsve...

Appreciate the links. Although one is in German and the other is also in German and seems to be behind a paywall. As an aside, it is common for news sites to only provide links back to their own earlier articles (even when the connection to the present story is tenuous at best), never to sources or extra information outside of their web property. Unfortunately it is not a weird choice, it's an industry-wide standard…

See my sibling comment - you can also click the left button ("Akzeptieren und weiter"), which just is your consent to see advertisement, it's a soft paywall (paying makes ads go away).

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by bogwog »

marvion wrote: post #11

Weird choice of this site to mention their sources, but not linking them. - Heise reported this originally: https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Fritzboxen-AVM-verliert-Pat... - Golem basically summarized the Heise article: https://www.golem.de/news/patentklagen-avm-droht-vertriebsve...

Also the first title in the body is nonsense:

> AVM threatens to ban the sale of Fritzbox routers

So AVM is threatening to ban the sale of their own product?

This looks like some SEO spam site with AI generated crap sprinkled on top.

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by orlp »

ocean2 wrote: post #19
orlp wrote: post #5

I looked at the patent EP3337077B1... It is utter rent-seeking nonsense. Patents are supposed to be for innovation, the patent literally just claims adding a field to a packet indicating if it's for a single user or multiple is a novel invention.

You may want to read claim 1 of the patent publication again. The claim indicates that a specific field is used for different purposes depending on a transmission mode. It is not an arbitrary or obvious choice to use the HE-SIG A field to indicate the number of scheduled users or the number of symbols in the HE-SIG B field. Do you have any examples where any packet field is used to indicate a number of users or symbo…

I had cause and effect backwards of the field contents. I typically refuse to read patents so the language is rather foreign and confusing to me.

Either way, reinterpreting a field depending on the mode of communication is equally not novel.

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by jsiepkes »

asylteltine wrote: post #39

China complaining about patent infringement? That’s rich.

I heard stories from people working at Nokia about Huawei copying manuals verbatim, including mistakes.

And Huawei is not alone in this. When I first saw a TP-Link user interface I was confused. It looked exactly like the Unifi interface. At first I thought maybe Unifi OEM their stuff from TP-Link. Didn't take long to figure out they had just copied it.

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