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California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by almost_usual »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #24
almost_usual wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (e.g. requires you hand over your phone to police unlocked). If you’re worried about this keep your id card?

If I need my physical ID for everything, why do I want a digital ID on my phone?

Sounds like you don’t.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by sxg »

rgbrenner wrote: post #25
anonuser123456 wrote: post #20

I played around with it. Not worth while at this point. Too many privacy risks (e.g. requires you hand over your phone to police unlocked).

You can use guided access to restrict access outside of the app. Here in Colorado, they just scan the barcode on the back and pull up the info on their own device.

You could, but in practice essentially no one will do this.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by ipqk »

bri3d wrote: post #30

The Estonian e-ID system and Qualified Electronic Signature in the EU are good ideas. The government issues you a signed identity. You can use that signed identity to counter-sign challenges in places you'd otherwise (in the US) need to use a Social Security Number and a convoluted private market identity-verification system (for example, the stupid "were you associated with this address 4.5 years ago" things). Like…

> Then simply share your TruAge QR code at checkout at select retail locations in Sacramento to safely and securely verify your age, while protecting your privacy.

Right now, bars/clubs will scan my ID and have all my information (name, birthdate, etc). They don't need that. all they need is a yes/no that I'm over 21.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by rgbrenner »

We’ve had this in Colorado for several years now. On an iPhone, you can use guided access to restrict interactions with your phone… just triple press the power button. But there’s also a barcode they can scan to pull up the info on their own device.

I rarely carry a wallet anymore… Apple Pay, Colorado state app and my insurance company’s website (or pdf of my card) has all of the info I ever need.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by azinman2 »

bri3d wrote: post #30

The Estonian e-ID system and Qualified Electronic Signature in the EU are good ideas. The government issues you a signed identity. You can use that signed identity to counter-sign challenges in places you'd otherwise (in the US) need to use a Social Security Number and a convoluted private market identity-verification system (for example, the stupid "were you associated with this address 4.5 years ago" things). Like…

Now imagine they are under obligation to accept it, and you can get to the point where you can leave your wallet at home. With car keys being Bluetooth, I now don’t carry keys in my pocket. To not carry a wallet to drive to the grocery store either would be a joy. I like a physical lightness.

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Post by more_corn »

rgbrenner wrote: post #35

We’ve had this in Colorado for several years now. On an iPhone, you can use guided access to restrict interactions with your phone… just triple press the power button. But there’s also a barcode they can scan to pull up the info on their own device. I rarely carry a wallet anymore… Apple Pay, Colorado state app and my insurance company’s website (or pdf of my card) has all of the info I ever need.

Just don’t lose your phone. You’d become a stateless ghost alienated from all the documentation that proves you’re a person.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by LelouBil »

noodlesUK wrote: post #4

I’m enthusiastic about the longer term future of solutions like this. Current IDs can’t do data minimization very easily, but phone-based solutions can. You should be able to get a permission prompt saying “drug store wants to know your >18/21 status” and not hand over any other data. Of course this requires regulatory oversight to ensure that the stores don’t just ask for all the perms available. However, does this…

France's digital ID program called "France identité" does the first part.

After pairing it with your physical ID via NFC you can generate digital proofs of identity which are time based and contain the recipient's name and the usage for the proof.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by bkishan »

localghost3000 wrote: post #22
anonuser123456 wrote: post #20

I played around with it. Not worth while at this point. Too many privacy risks (e.g. requires you hand over your phone to police unlocked).

This is the thing I think most people aren’t thinking about. I promise you the police either have or are cooking up a way as we speak to image the entire contents of your phone when you hand it to them. Until we get some laws in place around this stuff, no way.

Not from the US, so help me understand here, why would a traffic cop looking to verify a license want to image the entire contents of your phone?

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by rgbrenner »

more_corn wrote: post #37
rgbrenner wrote: post #35

We’ve had this in Colorado for several years now. On an iPhone, you can use guided access to restrict interactions with your phone… just triple press the power button. But there’s also a barcode they can scan to pull up the info on their own device. I rarely carry a wallet anymore… Apple Pay, Colorado state app and my insurance company’s website (or pdf of my card) has all of the info I ever need.

Just don’t lose your phone. You’d become a stateless ghost alienated from all the documentation that proves you’re a person.

? The documents still exist stored safely in my home.
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