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Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

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Post by sillysaurusx »

jstarfish wrote: post #24
sillysaurusx wrote: post #10

Apropos nothing, I found out today that bash.org died. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37295238 was the last I was able to find about it, and it's the top google search result. I've been thinking of the best way to make a website that won't die when I die. It seems like a hard problem. I was originally going to just trust that Github Pages will be around forever, but I'm not so sure anymore. Running your own ser…

> I've been thinking of the best way to make a website that won't die when I die. I've spent a lot of time thinking about the same, and eventually had to ask myself: why do I care? (This is just my personal reflection, not an indictment of your goals. I'm a fatalist.) If I have to go to the trouble of setting up a 100-year trust to maintain a digital presence after my death because nobody else finds what I have to sa…

For fun, of course. The heat death of the universe means it’s the only true motive. Holding an uptime world record is pretty compelling, at least to me.

Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

#32

Post by mikewarot »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #10

Apropos nothing, I found out today that bash.org died. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37295238 was the last I was able to find about it, and it's the top google search result. I've been thinking of the best way to make a website that won't die when I die. It seems like a hard problem. I was originally going to just trust that Github Pages will be around forever, but I'm not so sure anymore. Running your own ser…

Long ago, Michael O'Connor Clarke wrote "The KillSave Manifesto" for me. I hosted it for a while via 1and1, and eventually we won, and save wasn't an explicit required step in most cases any more.

Sadly, Michael died long before his time, and I'm not going to be around for ever, but I suspect you'll be able to read his work for a very long time via the Internet Archive at

  https://web.archive.org/web/20080621173441/http://killsave.org/Killsave_Manifesto.htm
The easiest way to save things is to make sure the Internet Archive has a copy of your pages.

Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

#33

Post by 9woc »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #10

Apropos nothing, I found out today that bash.org died. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37295238 was the last I was able to find about it, and it's the top google search result. I've been thinking of the best way to make a website that won't die when I die. It seems like a hard problem. I was originally going to just trust that Github Pages will be around forever, but I'm not so sure anymore. Running your own ser…

Wordpress has a plan just for that. https://wordpress.com/100-year/ For a one time payment of: US$38,000.

Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

#34

Post by hotpotamus »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #17
sillysaurusx wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://paulgraham.com actually fails if you try to access it via HTTPS. Maybe that's one way to get around the problem. Is there really no way to date a cert for a century?

Nope, they top out at 398 days. I think there's even been some talk about limiting them to 90 days.

Is there an actual RFC for that? I was thinking it was just browsers (Google really) who enforced it by convention.

Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

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Post by jeffrallen »

mikewarot wrote: post #32
sillysaurusx wrote: post #10

Apropos nothing, I found out today that bash.org died. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37295238 was the last I was able to find about it, and it's the top google search result. I've been thinking of the best way to make a website that won't die when I die. It seems like a hard problem. I was originally going to just trust that Github Pages will be around forever, but I'm not so sure anymore. Running your own ser…

Long ago, Michael O'Connor Clarke wrote "The KillSave Manifesto" for me. I hosted it for a while via 1and1, and eventually we won, and save wasn't an explicit required step in most cases any more. Sadly, Michael died long before his time, and I'm not going to be around for ever, but I suspect you'll be able to read his work for a very long time via the Internet Archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20080621173441/ht…

And that you throw a thousand or two dollars their way in your will. Pay it forward.

Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

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Post by banana_giraffe »

hotpotamus wrote: post #34
banana_giraffe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, they top out at 398 days. I think there's even been some talk about limiting them to 90 days.

Is there an actual RFC for that? I was thinking it was just browsers (Google really) who enforced it by convention.

As I understand it, it is just browsers enforcing it, with Safari [1] doing so first, then Chromium [2] doing the same, both doing so in 2020.

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/102028

[2] https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/net/...

Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

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Post by jonasenordin »

spindle wrote: post #4

I keep imagining an elevated 5xx response is a 599 when it should be a 503 or a 504.

If status codes bleed into 6xx we'll know HE COMES.

I am starting an early warning system, a daemon process, polling random web sites for status lines like this. Do I need to handle Unicode?

Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

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Post by featuregag »

prox wrote: post #15
sillysaurusx wrote: post #10

Apropos nothing, I found out today that bash.org died. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37295238 was the last I was able to find about it, and it's the top google search result. I've been thinking of the best way to make a website that won't die when I die. It seems like a hard problem. I was originally going to just trust that Github Pages will be around forever, but I'm not so sure anymore. Running your own ser…

Maybe the Long Now Foundation could start a 10k years hosting plan. That would be very interesting. Also being a sysadmin for a 10k server park would be a interesting job.

> Also being a sysadmin for a 10k server park would be an interesting job.

Ideally not frequently interesting, though.

Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

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Post by Minor49er »

oceanplexian wrote: post #29
Minor49er wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've been thinking of the best way to make a website that won't die when I die It's said that most people look at a painting in a gallery for fewer than 30 seconds. I'd be willing to guess that people are going to look at an old HTML document even less than that (not to mention web scrapers which will be the most likely to uncover an old page) There is no guarantee that the web services, companies, technologies, or…

> It's said that most people look at a painting in a gallery for fewer than 30 seconds. So I guess the lesson is, if you want something to stick around, go for good old fashioned paper. It doesn’t need electricity, it doesn’t need servers, software, maintainers, infrastructure or any of that. And if taken care of, it might last a thousand years give or take.

Alternatively, you could just stick it into a 3,000 lb sarcophagus, like what this guy did for a bag of Flaming Hot Cheetos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6_C7z4XvOQ

Re: Cloudflare is experiencing elevated 5xx responses

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Post by zmgsabst »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #10

Apropos nothing, I found out today that bash.org died. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37295238 was the last I was able to find about it, and it's the top google search result. I've been thinking of the best way to make a website that won't die when I die. It seems like a hard problem. I was originally going to just trust that Github Pages will be around forever, but I'm not so sure anymore. Running your own ser…

There’s always the expensive option:

Open a trust with a major bank to preserve that website and fund it with a long term annuity or investment, with instructions on how to execute it.

Not perfect of course, as trust firms and banks also fail — but I think that’s the best chance to reach 50-100 years after death.

For $200 per year, with $100 fees and $100 hosting costs, you’re looking at a $5,000 investment — assuming the “safe” 4% yearly drawdown.

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