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Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by davidthewatson »

0x1ceb00da wrote: post #23
signaru wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just AI art. Memes and unrelated stock image have also been used. It might be due to some SEO belief.

God I hate memes on medium pages.

Me too, especially when the underlying root cause is siloed communication arising from founder burnout or sheer disinterest not the supply of product management thinking. It's as if you needed the subtractive design thinking of the two Bobs in office space and what you got instead was aimless growth of product like cancer.

Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by [deleted] »

Arcanum-XIII wrote: post #20
airocker wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not also be the developer if you can do that much already?

Because if you’re working on a project big enough, you don’t have the time to be a good dev or a good manager. As a developer I wanted time to think about how best to solve the problem I was facing, not writing documents, refining the big picture, get a buy in from the stakeholders, giving reports, making sure the other parts of the project kept getting along and so on. It was important for me to be kept in the loop,…

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Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by sunpazed »

I’ve been in product management for over 20 years, and I agree with most of what is said here. Ratios matter. CPOs end up empire building with an army of PMs. The organisation ends up with PMs owning a slice of the customer experience such as a single page, optimising CTRs on buttons, with no meaningful contribution to the product strategy or vision. It’s hard to be a Product Manager without owning a product.

Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by aurareturn »

freitzkriesler2 wrote: post #3

Ha, what's the difference between a project manager and a product manager? Two letters and about $50k-100k. I've done both and it ends up being project management with a few extra steps. The extra steps being, "focusing on the market, solving customer problems, and being strategic. You'll hear the classic adage of, ” well project managers deal with the how to execute and product managers deal with the what to execute…

Project managers don't strategize or lead a vision of what the product should look like.

It sounds like your strength is more in project management than product management so perhaps that's why the organizations tend to place you in that role?

Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by airocker »

Arcanum-XIII wrote: post #20
airocker wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not also be the developer if you can do that much already?

Because if you’re working on a project big enough, you don’t have the time to be a good dev or a good manager. As a developer I wanted time to think about how best to solve the problem I was facing, not writing documents, refining the big picture, get a buy in from the stakeholders, giving reports, making sure the other parts of the project kept getting along and so on. It was important for me to be kept in the loop,…

We are not talking about a good manager here. We are talking about the one who can program manage to the level of lowest jira issues.

Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by _giorgio_ »

ChilledTonic wrote: post #9

Barely relevant to the article, but this new trend of AI art as the main image of blog articles drives me absolutely crazy - if you don't have a clear main image in mind when you wrote the article, don't waste my bandwidth downloading a computers pipe dream. I'm all for AI art, it's an incredibly valuable tool - but if your using an AI piece as the only image on the page, it should be for a damn good reason, not just…

The most sad part is imagining the prompt that he used, and how hard he tried to add black, whites, women... respecting the politically correct numbers.

Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by SigKill9 »

cateye wrote: post #27

This article and many people attempting to analyze this topic (and many others) are missing a key element: "incentives"! Many developers are more passionate about technology itself – coding, solving complex technical problems, and creating efficient solutions. Their formal rewards (like promotions, bonuses, and recognition) are often tied to technical achievements. If a developer spends 40 hours on customer research,…

Thanks for the comment. And I completely agree. Incentives shapes so much of how people work. I tried to capture that in the 3rd bullet, but your comment is more on-point :)

Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by SigKill9 »

_giorgio_ wrote: post #36
ChilledTonic wrote: post #9

Barely relevant to the article, but this new trend of AI art as the main image of blog articles drives me absolutely crazy - if you don't have a clear main image in mind when you wrote the article, don't waste my bandwidth downloading a computers pipe dream. I'm all for AI art, it's an incredibly valuable tool - but if your using an AI piece as the only image on the page, it should be for a damn good reason, not just…

The most sad part is imagining the prompt that he used, and how hard he tried to add black, whites, women... respecting the politically correct numbers.

I spent less than 5 seconds in the prompt. Dall-e is quite politically correct, I guess :)

Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by bakugo »

_giorgio_ wrote: post #36
ChilledTonic wrote: post #9

Barely relevant to the article, but this new trend of AI art as the main image of blog articles drives me absolutely crazy - if you don't have a clear main image in mind when you wrote the article, don't waste my bandwidth downloading a computers pipe dream. I'm all for AI art, it's an incredibly valuable tool - but if your using an AI piece as the only image on the page, it should be for a damn good reason, not just…

The most sad part is imagining the prompt that he used, and how hard he tried to add black, whites, women... respecting the politically correct numbers.

There's no need to do this, because DALL-E already automatically injects those things into your prompts behind the scenes.

Re: More product, fewer product managers

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

> With any experienced team of engineers and designers, PM'ing is not a full-time job, or at least, it shouldn't be.

after the free money era peaked, consultants have now pivoted to efficient downsizing.

when my previous corp merged with another, the first people fired where PM's. so its nothing new. imo PM is the epitome of the bs jobs phenomenon.

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