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Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Lesson learned: just lock down your platform like Apple. Corrupted freedom is apparently worse than totalitarian control.

If Android was locked down, it would be tiny and irrelevant.

The Nintendo Switch runs a locked-down version of Android that has sold over 100 million units of associated hardware.

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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It is more like complaining that Tesla wouldn't let you purchase electricity from a 3rd party that isn't sanctioned by Tesla.

And if you chose to buy a Tesla knowing they in advance?

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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The thing that landed Google in hot water was that they licensed Android to multiple vendors and then used anticompetitive shenanigans to control the marketplace. Look at XBox and Windows at Microsoft. XBox is a walled garden and you can't create a game for it without Microsoft's permission and giving Microsoft a cut. There have been zero legal repercussions for this. Windows is licensed to multiple vendors and Micro…

Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo sometimes lose money on hardware sales. Operating system venders never lose money on software sales because software costs nothing to reproduce (they can still lose money but the loses do not increase as sales increase).

I do not know anti-trust law but I think the difference in business models should be acknowledged.

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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No one mentioned side loading here and it seems clear that you pulled the weakest possible interpretation of their point to respond to. Please don't do that.

Side loading, while mentioned, is both the most common and argument I’ve heard. I don’t think that’s bad faith they thought that was implied.

What other interpretations would be common?

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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If Android was locked down, it would be tiny and irrelevant.

The Nintendo Switch runs a locked-down version of Android that has sold over 100 million units of associated hardware.

I do not think the Switch runs Android. I think it runs BSD. Could you please provide a link showing the Switch runs Android?

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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If Android was locked down, it would be tiny and irrelevant.

The Nintendo Switch runs a locked-down version of Android that has sold over 100 million units of associated hardware.

Blackberry, Tizen, Windows Phone, FirefoxOS. Samsung, HTC, Huawei, Alcatel, Nokia, LG.

How does Google, running closed and un-licensable Android with no phone to put it on, compete?

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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It’s not a question of evidence, but the law. There is no “duty to deal” with other firms. But if you choose to do so, you have to do so fairly.

This is not true. There is no such thing as having to deal “fairly”. You are completely free to make different deals with different customers reason #1367 that HN commenters make horrible lawyers

No, you're not completely free to make different deals with different customers, the imperative word here being "completely".

For example, RRPs are generally considered illegal, you can't force your customers to sale at specified minimum price, and more crucially, you can't do it selectively.

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Lesson learned: just lock down your platform like Apple. Corrupted freedom is apparently worse than totalitarian control.

I think a better lesson would be to comply with the law, do not destroy evidence, and to do what you say you are doing. Google sold Android as being open. Once Android succeeded, Google started closing it and making anti-competitive deals. Many of these deals were illegal because Google had a monopoly and abused its monopoly. Please explain why Google's conduct should not be punished? Why should Google be allowed to…

I see people on two sides arguing with each other, and not realizing they're having completely different conversations.

You're in one conversation. Many other people are in a completely different conversation, something like:

Isn't Android more open than tons of closed systems, who will never be punished... and isn't that evidence that the law itself is written poorly?

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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It’s not a question of evidence, but the law. There is no “duty to deal” with other firms. But if you choose to do so, you have to do so fairly.

This is not true. There is no such thing as having to deal “fairly”. You are completely free to make different deals with different customers reason #1367 that HN commenters make horrible lawyers

Allow me to direct you to the Wikipedia entry on "collusion"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion

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