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Today Is One of the Biggest Surveillance Votes. Will the FBI Stop Spying?
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Who's side are you on?
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> government will never willingly give up power Governments regularly do this. One of the greatest losses for privacy advocates over the last generation is this brand of nihilism making the issue electorally useless.
what are some recent examples of governments giving up power?
> what are some recent examples of governments giving up power?
I’ll pick a negative one: antitrust. Government retreated from its enforcement duty and powers for a few decades. In the vacuum, private interests asserted themselves.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Governments regularly do this s/regularly/rarely It's a generalization, there's always occasional exceptions to the rule.
> It's a generalization, there's always occasional exception to the rule The point is it’s not a rule. It’s a meme that results from misunderstanding the bureaucratic imperative and oversimplifying into a monolith the complexity of politics and power competition.
The amount of written law in the US gov has grown exponentially since the 1970s.
https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20190903_R43056_5083d3b...
The only time it slowed has been during brief gov shutdowns. As this report explains this includes plenty of non rules and administrative stuff and does count repeals but anyone who has followed Congress knows that the bulk of those bills is new spending and new rules imposed on civilians/business. It's rarely ever reducing the scale of gov.
And to repeat another post I made recently, the staffing and funding for US federal regulatory agencies has grown near exponentially since the 1970s (edit: or more accurately a consistent upward trendline)
https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/za...
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> government will never willingly give up power Governments regularly do this. One of the greatest losses for privacy advocates over the last generation is this brand of nihilism making the issue electorally useless.
what are some recent examples of governments giving up power?
https://legiscan.com/US/legislation?status=passed
A few times this year in the US at the federal level, for starters.
One could argue that every peaceful transition of power is the current government giving up power to the next government.
Even Roe v. Wade was a “giving up” of power by the federal government to guarantee a right to abortion nationally.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
what are some recent examples of governments giving up power?
> what are some recent examples of governments giving up power? I’ll pick a negative one: antitrust. Government retreated from its enforcement duty and powers for a few decades. In the vacuum, private interests asserted themselves.
Great example. Another one is state governments joining a union or federal system, such as US states joining the Union or European states joining the EU, and becoming bound by federal/EU law.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Governments regularly do this s/regularly/rarely It's a generalization, there's always occasional exceptions to the rule.
> It's a generalization, there's always occasional exception to the rule The point is it’s not a rule. It’s a meme that results from misunderstanding the bureaucratic imperative and oversimplifying into a monolith the complexity of politics and power competition.
Wait, I thought pithy statements containing some element of truth counted as theses? They were oversimplifications all along?
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#38Pay careful attention to who is not on that list that opposes section 702. Microsoft, Google and Apple. If they really cared about privacy on their platforms, they would have made that known at some point before this vote.
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#39Re: Today Is One of the Biggest Surveillance Votes. Will the FBI Stop Spying?
#40"Today, corrupt politicians put on another dog and pony show while continuing business as usual. Is our democracy secretly a farce? Details at 11."
It's "our" democracy, not our democracy it seems.