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Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by vkaku »

Looks like this will finally lead to the Year of the Linux Desktop.

I think the point is that even though one could do all the hacks required to disable the hardware checks that Windows 11 unnecessarily imposes, subsequent updates and re-patching tend to be painful for end users.

I think that Linux w/ LTS for the next few years may be the sane option for the next decade.

For most people, beyond that timeframe - there may not exist a dedicated gaming PC at all if the purpose is to play games or even get basic productivity work done.

For people like me, I will always embrace the openness and upgradability of a PC though.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by sundvor »

My N-2 is a 6850k CPU based system, ie Broadwell-E. I'd love for Microsoft to allow it to run Win11, on paper it meets all the requirements, and I also bought the hardware TPM module.

Crazy annoying. Also, this was from a time when Intel went through chipsets like single use underwear - after this I moved to AM4, couldn't have been any happier! (3900XT to 5800x3d!).

I still have a 2600k in play (the N-3); I like my PCs to last a while. I understand the (4.4ghz on air) 2600k don't meet the requirements and it needs to be updated, but the 6-core 6850k was one I really hoped to keep around for a while eg for my now 5 year old daughter. (I use Windows predominantly, and Ubuntu through WSL2.)

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/94188/i...

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by technion »

IntelMiner wrote: post #27
therealmarv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we all know this a limit made on purpose (by a marketing team?). They probably could use this additional hardware everytime it's available on new PCs and allow a kind of legacy mode for Windows 11 on old PCs. But hey, some marketing genius came up with the idea to sell Windows 10 ESU (Extended Security Updates) membership to end consumers this time.

Windows 11's hardware requirements were made to coincide with CPU's that had hardware mitigation for Meltdown and Spectre attacks, as part of their attempt to push the general baseline of security for average users

I've seen this argument from Ms a lot but let's be real, of the ways typical home windows users are compromised spectre isn't a thing, and isn't hasn't done a thing about, for example, how readily windows let's attackers make a script look like an image .

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by earthling8118 »

cherrycherry98 wrote: post #20
DanHulton wrote: post #4

So I have about 2 years to prepare to run some flavour of Gaming Linux on my desktop, cool. Thankfully, Valve's continued and dedicated support for the Steam Deck has made this a very easy alternative to consider.

Seems like there's a bunch of us with the same idea. Once W10 is end of life my plan is to build a new PC and run Linux on it. Gaming is my only reservation but hoping mostly a non issue by 2025.

Many of us have jumped ship years ago. It's been largely a non-issue for years now, but especially so with the introduction of the Steam deck in recent times.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by dingdingdang »

sonicanatidae wrote: post #8
Alifatisk wrote: post #3

I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 requiring a specific hardware. I'll stick to Windows 10, when it dies, I'll probably force myself to switch to Fedora or something.

You can run Win11 on non-compliant hardware. Check out Rufus.

Can vouch for this option. Works reliably but still worth disconnecting internet to make sure local account creation is easily available.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by JohnFen »

ska wrote: post #28
chikenf00t wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of your combined lists, HDR is the only one that would cause issues. Although it really depends on the distro.

Are you saying all the sleep/hibernate, touch-pad, wifi, etc. issues that have plagued linux on laptops for decades at this point have now been resolved?

I haven't had issues with any of that stuff (using Debian) for years. YMMV, of course.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by Alifatisk »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #15
Alifatisk wrote: post #3

I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 requiring a specific hardware. I'll stick to Windows 10, when it dies, I'll probably force myself to switch to Fedora or something.

You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. I've also noticed that if you build the ISO yourself via UUP dump[1], instead of using the official ISO from Microsoft, then you get a bare start menu with no bloatware or ads, just Explorer and Edge. Nice. [1] https://uupdump.net/

> You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well.

Oh, because the update button in the settings says my hardware does not meet the requirements.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by binkHN »

I've planned for this by migrating to Linux; I received a new machine with Windows 11 and was so abhorred by what an abomination it is that I switched my OS after using Windows for what feels like forever. Maybe 2025 will be the year of Linux on the desktop and we'll have Microsoft to thank? I know I have Microsoft to thank for opening my eyes to a Linux desktop.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by CamperBob2 »

IntelMiner wrote: post #27
therealmarv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we all know this a limit made on purpose (by a marketing team?). They probably could use this additional hardware everytime it's available on new PCs and allow a kind of legacy mode for Windows 11 on old PCs. But hey, some marketing genius came up with the idea to sell Windows 10 ESU (Extended Security Updates) membership to end consumers this time.

Windows 11's hardware requirements were made to coincide with CPU's that had hardware mitigation for Meltdown and Spectre attacks, as part of their attempt to push the general baseline of security for average users

But I couldn't possibly care less about Meltdown and Spectre. It's not clear why anyone does, unless they are running a cloud provider.

In fact, history suggests that the malicious actor who is most likely to hose my PC or otherwise interfere with my workflow is.... Microsoft.

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