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Maybe when people stop supporting genocidal dictators, we could see a change.
Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
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#32I hope this is not going to be a massive hit for them financially -- I like Hetzner. On the flip side they might have some cheap 'server auction' on the block soon, I've been pondering a cross/upgrade for a little while already :-)
Why do you hope they take a massive financial hit, while liking them? Edit: missed the "not"
Perhaps parent edited, but there is a "not" in the sentence.
"I hope this is not going to be a massive hit"
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's two years and 6 weeks (almost 7), not 1 month.
> It will take effect from 31 January 2024 that's under 6 (working) weeks from today. I'm trying to read where you got 2 years from, but I can't find it. Was there an additional warning from before? or are you suggesting that when the Russian military invaded Ukraine that every Russian business and citizen should have pulled out of using European services?
There was a massive thread on HN at the time and the general consensus was that if you are a Russian entity relying on Western infrastructure that you should probably activate your contingency plans. The writing has been on the wall for all that time and with authorities coming down harder and harder on companies that are still doing business with Russia it is in a way surprising it took Hetzner this long to act.
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#34> We recommend that you take appropriate measures now.
Change your postal address if it's (still) Russian?
As per some Russian devs I know, this worked for the vast majority of service providers that issued similar statements in the past. As cynical as it sounds.
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#35Two years + 6 weeks of notice, that would seem to be enough to make a move. This was in the cards for a long time and I noted in the first weeks of the war that anybody from Russia with assets in the West would be smart to move them because sooner or later they'd be at risk. Note that the real artery isn't hosting but DNS and if there are more similar actions at registrars or even at ICANN (see the 'NameCheap' thread…
Is the two years referring to the start of the Ukraine war?
Or did Hetzner announce their termination of Russian customers back in 2021?
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#37A lot of confusion there, so let me chime in and clarify:
1. The war is not an inconvenience, it's a disaster.
2. You had at least 1 year to move elsewhere.
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#38Does any company fire their American customers because of the calamitous Iraq war and related war crimes? Do companies fire their Israeli customers because of the current bombing campaign? What about Argentinian customers? Melei has contempt for European style democracy. Should Chinese customers get the boot because of the horrific treatment of Uyghurs by the Chinese Party? Should Hetzner also fire their German customers while they're at it because of German arms exports to oppressive regimes?
Isolationism isn't the answer here. We live in a globalized world and by integrating our economies we disincentivize war and strife. Maybe Hetzner is acting out of principle, maybe they choose to do this because of optics. In any case, it's the wrong move both pragmatically and idealistically.
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Isn't Russia mostly inside Asia?
Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
#40Two years + 6 weeks of notice, that would seem to be enough to make a move. This was in the cards for a long time and I noted in the first weeks of the war that anybody from Russia with assets in the West would be smart to move them because sooner or later they'd be at risk. Note that the real artery isn't hosting but DNS and if there are more similar actions at registrars or even at ICANN (see the 'NameCheap' thread…
Is the two years referring to the start of the Ukraine war? Or did Hetzner announce their termination of Russian customers back in 2021?
Yes. Because it was quite clear that there would be consequences. I think the consensus at the time was that you should get moving if you might be affected, and I also think that the consensus was that by now the war would be over one way or the other. But that hasn't happened and authorities have been coming down ever harder on companies that are still doing business with Russia, Hetzner likely has made an internal re-evaluation of what their exposure is and the legal department has flagged a number of accounts as problematic. This is the kind of thing that got people get jailed for so it isn't surprising that they take it serious. Frankly I'm a bit surprised it took them this long, they should have reacted earlier but with a longer grace period.
This is the sort of thing that keeps Hetzner execs up at night and scared of 4am knocks on their doors:
https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/geschaeftsf...
Similar actions all over Europe with the intensity increasing in the last six months. Most of these are about dual use tech and outright sanction busting but hosting doesn't necessarily get a free pass and I figure Hetzner execs are not brave enough to figure out if theirs is the finest line to be drawn around this.