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A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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I'm skeptical. If you have an exponential speedup for simulations of coupled oscillators, you can rig a system of coupled oscillators into a general purpose computer [0] and therefore have an exponential speedup for any computation. That seems too good to be true. [0] https://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/mechano.html

If you need an exponential number of coupled oscillators to construct a general purpose computer, then you don't have the exponential speedup.

Can you elaborate please?

Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you need an exponential number of coupled oscillators to construct a general purpose computer, then you don't have the exponential speedup.

Can you elaborate please?

In that case the speedup would be linear.

Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My lay understanding of the problem with classical algorithms is basically that a lack of resolution means you need to monte carlo the thing millions of times... which is why it's slow. If you could model it as a set of quantum states of similar inaccuracy, wouldn't that by definition be just as (in)accurate but faster? [edit] this reminds me of something I read about how NASA doesn't predict solar eclipses by trying…

People were predicting solar eclipses thousands of years ago with no calculators or even a modern understanding of math. Can't be that hard.

The reason this worked is, that the back-action of the moon on the sun is very insignificant. For a "real" chaotic three-body system, you need three bodies that interact with each other on comparable scales.

Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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I'm skeptical. If you have an exponential speedup for simulations of coupled oscillators, you can rig a system of coupled oscillators into a general purpose computer [0] and therefore have an exponential speedup for any computation. That seems too good to be true. [0] https://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/mechano.html

The logic gates described in that link are more complicated than just coupled harmonic oscillators. They have things like ratchets, or they block each other, or there is buckling.

The quantum algorithm couldn't simulate these things.

Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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> Further, we use this mapping to prove that any problem efficiently solvable by a quantum algorithm can be recast as a problem involving a network of coupled oscillators, albeit exponentially many of them. Is this a new result, giving that quantum field theory is described in terms of quantum harmonic oscillators?

Its a network of exponentially many coupled classical oscillators, not quantum harmonic oscillators. This is a new result.

Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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The thing that stands out to me is the described proof of BQP-completeness where they say they prove any quantum system can be similarities as balls and springs, but later they say you may need an exponential number of springs for a classical simulation. That sounds like the BQP reduction would be exponential, guess I'll have to read the paper to see what I'm missing.

They have exponentially many classical oscillators, but then they simulate them with their quantum algorithm with exponential speed up. The two exponential factors cancel and you end up with a quantum algorithm for a BQP complete problem which runs in polynomial time.

Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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I'll read it when I'm home. But I want to say that the fact that this is from google "quantum AI" makes me doubt the legitimacy. They are really ruining their reputation with all the absurd quantum stuff they have been publishing, e.g: their wormhole stuff and a lot of quantum neural networks bs.

I sort of agree. Quantum computing is interesting, AI is interesting, "quantum AI" is a meme and almost certainly not interesting. On the other hand the Google team do do a lot of cool research, and I assume the scientists weren't consulted by the MBA marketing idiots who came up with the name.

The "wormhole" thing was scientifically interesting as a quantum simulation of a non-trivial gravitational thing. A lot of the media stuff was garbage, but the actual science they did was quite cool.

Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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One of the most important insights you take away from a physics undergrad is that you can model much of physical phenomena as a harmonic oscillator. The reason for this is quite simple 1. Every closed system has a fixed total energy, so many systems just settle into an oscillating state, where kinetic energy converts into potential and back. 2. Most real world systems are approximately closed, so they leak energy til…

This is overly complicated. The reason harmonic oscillators pop up everywhere is even simpler and more general than that. It models first order perturbations over a stable equilibrium. For sufficiently small perturbations around a stable equilibrium everything is an harmonic oscillator. It's basically taking the first order perturbation of a Taylor expansion around a local minima.

> It models first order perturbations over a stable equilibrium. For sufficiently small perturbations around a stable equilibrium everything is an harmonic oscillator.

That's the same reason, why we linearize nonlinear systems around the equilibria to apply linear control theory, right?

While in control, this makes sense to me, since the goal is often to stabilize the system, how does this help with modeling the whole system in general (far away from any equilibrium point)?

Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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Usually these types of articles are total nonsense, but this is legit.

A very cool result!

It'd be interesting to see how many other systems can be approximated by the system they've solved for (without incurring an exponential penalty in the translation).

Re: A new quantum algorithm for classical mechanics with an exponential speedup

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One of the most important insights you take away from a physics undergrad is that you can model much of physical phenomena as a harmonic oscillator. The reason for this is quite simple 1. Every closed system has a fixed total energy, so many systems just settle into an oscillating state, where kinetic energy converts into potential and back. 2. Most real world systems are approximately closed, so they leak energy til…

Would a 3-or-more body gravitational problem be one of these that could use a speed up?

Probably not (at least by this breakthrough). You can't model a 3-or-more body gravitational problem as coupled harmonic oscillators.
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