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Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by lupusreal »

miguelazo wrote: post #24
H8crilA wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Egyptian intelligence knew about it and warned. Moreover there were detailed plans known already about a year earlier: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-h... This is kind of similar, but smaller in scale, to how Ukraine was surprised that there was actually a push on Kyiv from the north with an attempt at decapitating the state. It's one thing to have the intelligence at hand, it's another to…

There was never a plan to decapitate the Ukrainian state. That is utterly absurd when you consider there were Russian intelligence assets in Zelensky’s inner circle for a very long time. Russia could have killed him day 1 if they wanted to (or before). Encircling Kyiv was merely for negotiating pressure. As evidenced by them withdrawing from that position as part of the ceasefire negotiations in Turkey in the Spring…

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Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

scantis wrote: post #30
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

There's a new "conspiracy theory" on the block to explain this and other events (I do admittedly find it plausible): It's not like Israel has been, or is, a friend of Gaza. So when Gaza was planning the attack, either Israel's previously famous intelligence service was caught completely off guard (despite the warning by Egypt) - or they let it happen, intentionally, as an excuse to raid Gaza as well as improve the po…

Politicians failing to read the writing on the wall, then overcorrecting and acting devoid of all humanity and only for selfish reasons is the norm, sadly. What the conspiracy theory is doing, is proposing this to be a clever move, when selfishness and stupidity also suffice as explanation.

> selfishness and stupidity also suffice as explanation

The problem though is that almost all societies, before us, considered stupidity to not be an excuse for any crime, for similar reasons to "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." This was because, as another principle I'm forgetting the name of points out, stupidity is indistinguishable from competently-executed malice. If competently-executed malice is always explained away as stupidity, there's no such thing as malice. (The only obvious exception, of course, being manifest insanity.)

Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by gruez »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

There's a new "conspiracy theory" on the block to explain this and other events (I do admittedly find it plausible): It's not like Israel has been, or is, a friend of Gaza. So when Gaza was planning the attack, either Israel's previously famous intelligence service was caught completely off guard (despite the warning by Egypt) - or they let it happen, intentionally, as an excuse to raid Gaza as well as improve the po…

>or they let it happen, intentionally, as an excuse to raid Gaza as well as improve the popularity of their struggling president.

If that was the goal, it massively backfired

Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by lm28469 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

There's a new "conspiracy theory" on the block to explain this and other events (I do admittedly find it plausible): It's not like Israel has been, or is, a friend of Gaza. So when Gaza was planning the attack, either Israel's previously famous intelligence service was caught completely off guard (despite the warning by Egypt) - or they let it happen, intentionally, as an excuse to raid Gaza as well as improve the po…

> as well as improve the popularity of their struggling president.

How does that work ? He's at a record low approval, Israelis want a culprit and he's the default one

Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by vkou »

gimdilia wrote: post #16

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Is this implying that these kinds of events are politically advantageous to pro-settlement and native-displacement factions in Parliament?

Get attacked, retaliate with orders-of-magnitude more force, and drive natives out of their homes and into progressively smaller and more-fragmented reservations?

Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by lm28469 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #29
BurningFrog wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Confusing the Israeli president and prime minister shows the level of insight here.

I'm repeating a theory I've heard that sounds interesting, that I'd like more evidence to support or deny, and slipped on a detail. You can see from my other comments I am aware that he is the prime minister and apologize for the oversight.

> I'm repeating a theory I've heard that sounds interesting

Have you heard about the one that says the earth is flat, or even hollow ? Quite interesting isn't it ?

Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by xdennis »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

There's a new "conspiracy theory" on the block to explain this and other events (I do admittedly find it plausible): It's not like Israel has been, or is, a friend of Gaza. So when Gaza was planning the attack, either Israel's previously famous intelligence service was caught completely off guard (despite the warning by Egypt) - or they let it happen, intentionally, as an excuse to raid Gaza as well as improve the po…

The idea that they let it happen is insane. Oct 7 is the biggest Jewish disaster since the Holocaust. Who would want that on his resume?

This is a classical conspiracy theory. Things can't just fall through the cracks, it's always someone behind the scenes directing things.

Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by k2xl »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #18
k2xl wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think there is a good chance?

Well, look at Gaza. If you are Israel, you hate that it exists (and of course, vice versa). In 2006, Gaza had the borders closed and was sealed in. Gaza's population was 473,257 people. Instead of giving in, Gaza decided to have a lot of children, resulting in a population of 2.048 million people as of 2020. Kind of a failure on multiple levels. And now all those people want to kill you for what you did to them. That…

This kind of thinking reminds me of Loose Change 9/11 conspiracy about how 9/11 was an inside job. Do you agree that there is parallels in the conspiracy theories?

Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by hotdogscout »

vkou wrote: post #35
gimdilia wrote: post #16

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Is this implying that these kinds of events are politically advantageous to pro-settlement and native-displacement factions in Parliament? Get attacked, retaliate with orders-of-magnitude more force, and drive natives out of their homes and into progressively smaller and more-fragmented reservations?

[flagged]

Re: Spike in short selling in Israeli-company ETF days before Oct 7 [pdf]

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Post by totetsu »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

There's a new "conspiracy theory" on the block to explain this and other events (I do admittedly find it plausible): It's not like Israel has been, or is, a friend of Gaza. So when Gaza was planning the attack, either Israel's previously famous intelligence service was caught completely off guard (despite the warning by Egypt) - or they let it happen, intentionally, as an excuse to raid Gaza as well as improve the po…

It could be to improve popularity yes, or it could have something to do with a goal to ethnically cleanse the country..
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