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Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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Damn, they asked Google to turn over IP addresses visiting specific URLs, Google refused, then they collected the data “from the Internet gateway” anyway? So TLS is just broken in India, and the “Internet gateway”, whichever hop that refers to, sees everything in clear text?

Almost like the story isn’t true. Occam’s razor makes this easy. There are no sources, no named officials, it’s all happenstance in text.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#32

What surprised me the most was 26,000 people watched Tom and Jerry between 7:30pm and 6:30am on some website. That’s a lot more than I would have expected.

Tom and Jerry is very popular in India. Parents like it because there's no (less) subversive NSFW content (e.g. Bikini Bottom in Spongebob). Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.

Oh that's not the reason. Animation in general is seen as childish by the vast majority here in India, and a lot of people wouldn't even imagine that animation could be NSFW. Most folks wouldn't care less if the child was watching, say, Bojack Horseman (except any blatantly explicit scenes/words of course). Tom and Jerry is an easy reach, since the humor is more slapstick than verbal, and it's been around long enough that parents today have grown up watching it on TV. Most of the NSFW stuff in Spongebob is too subtle for the average uninterested Indian adult.

Basically, children's entertainment = animation = Tom and Jerry, more often than not. Urban 1%er parents tend to default to Peppa Pig.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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post #29
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You got to do what you got to do otherwise you risk the kid going hungry or having a meltdown or both. Being so black and white about sticking a video in front of a kid to make sure it sits in one place and eats is dismissive of parents who have to make these decisions in real time. Do we know those kids don’t get play time with friends? Or down time to get bored and hence be forced to invent games in their own heads…

Kids ate food before smartphones existed. They miss one meal, throw one meltdown, and quickly learn that it's better to eat than go hungry.

Not sure if one meltdown is the mean or even the median for how much time a kid takes to learn how to sit in one place without being distracted.

In any case, it doesn’t matter a whit if the average is one meltdown if your kid has gone without two consecutive meals. All this theorising goes out the window when the third meal is coming up and you’re struggling to get a morsel inside your kid. How many consecutive meals are you willing to let your kid skip on principle?

Comparing what we did in the past, how we lived in the past, what worked two decades ago is basically useless.

Phones exist. On demand entertainment exists. Kids know it. You know it. You aren’t putting any genie back in the bottle by trying to explain to your kid that since you grew up without being amused into eating, they need to do that too.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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post #33
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids ate food before smartphones existed. They miss one meal, throw one meltdown, and quickly learn that it's better to eat than go hungry.

Not sure if one meltdown is the mean or even the median for how much time a kid takes to learn how to sit in one place without being distracted. In any case, it doesn’t matter a whit if the average is one meltdown if your kid has gone without two consecutive meals. All this theorising goes out the window when the third meal is coming up and you’re struggling to get a morsel inside your kid. How many consecutive meals…

Not in India, but I've seen parents here sit down at a restaurant table and shove a cell phone in front of a toddler the second they sit down. They don't allow the kid to even get bored, try to do other stuff or interact with the kid. In my experience, a 1-2-3 year old kid doesn't have the "cellphone have cartoons, gimme!" unless they've been educated to expect that.

Does that seem like a bad habit to impose on your kids + you not engaging with them? It does to me. Am I gonna call (the equivalent to) child services? No. Do I make other probably equally bad choices for my kids? Quite likely.

No need to get defensive.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#35
post #20

Damn, they asked Google to turn over IP addresses visiting specific URLs, Google refused, then they collected the data “from the Internet gateway” anyway? So TLS is just broken in India, and the “Internet gateway”, whichever hop that refers to, sees everything in clear text?

YouTube search terms are query parameters in the url so wouldn’t need to break TLS

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#36

The video surveillance caught the bad guys but a dragnet gets a pat on the back for 26,000 violations of privacy. This is one good story however it is presented with a narrative that seeds unquestionable support for warrantless surveillance. 702 is on the horizon, what will we choose? Privacy or security. There is no such thing as both. In this well painted narrative the answer is simple. Security. What about other n…

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Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#37
post #20

Damn, they asked Google to turn over IP addresses visiting specific URLs, Google refused, then they collected the data “from the Internet gateway” anyway? So TLS is just broken in India, and the “Internet gateway”, whichever hop that refers to, sees everything in clear text?

YouTube search terms are query parameters in the url so wouldn’t need to break TLS

the url should be covered by tls

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#38
post #20

Damn, they asked Google to turn over IP addresses visiting specific URLs, Google refused, then they collected the data “from the Internet gateway” anyway? So TLS is just broken in India, and the “Internet gateway”, whichever hop that refers to, sees everything in clear text?

YouTube search terms are query parameters in the url so wouldn’t need to break TLS

URL query parameters are encrypted by TLS. The domain is the part that isn’t encrypted.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#39
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if one meltdown is the mean or even the median for how much time a kid takes to learn how to sit in one place without being distracted. In any case, it doesn’t matter a whit if the average is one meltdown if your kid has gone without two consecutive meals. All this theorising goes out the window when the third meal is coming up and you’re struggling to get a morsel inside your kid. How many consecutive meals…

Not in India, but I've seen parents here sit down at a restaurant table and shove a cell phone in front of a toddler the second they sit down. They don't allow the kid to even get bored, try to do other stuff or interact with the kid. In my experience, a 1-2-3 year old kid doesn't have the "cellphone have cartoons, gimme!" unless they've been educated to expect that. Does that seem like a bad habit to impose on your…

> unless they've been educated to expect that.

And this is critical.

I've seen enough times when kid did expected to receive what they wanted and threw a tantrum if not.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#40

I just assume stories like this are parallel construction. edit: Indeed, they even admit this is not what they used to track them down.

The "news" stories related to the incident are sensational. One claimed the Youtuber speaks perfect American English for a global audience but bribed an English exam center (necessary to migrate to a lucrative career in other countries) to pass. Damn exams dont capture her fluency which she demonstrates to a large global audience! Turns out she uses a computer generated voice.
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