I wonder how this squares with the research on cultures where parents scarcely talk to babies, and they turn out fine? [1] 1: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/parents-in-a-remo...
Infants understand language via rhythm and tone rather than individual sounds
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#32I wonder how this squares with the research on cultures where parents scarcely talk to babies, and they turn out fine? [1] 1: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/parents-in-a-remo...
The article notes that the babies are with their mothers most of the time, so they're probably exposed to plenty of language even if it not specifically aimed at them.
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#33Re: Infants understand language via rhythm and tone rather than individual sounds
#34I just sang, sang, sang anything that came to my mind. About mountains, clouds, courage, poo… It was just love pouring out of my heart, and I don’t know if it had something to do with it, but my kid started talking very early on and very well. The best thing is was that I got to know him very soon, while my peers and their daughters/sons still were kind of communicating.
Our oldest was talking in full sentences at 1 year. It was astounding. Now, granted, it was stuff like, "I'm dunna det da fwad" but he was communicating in full thoughts at about the time he walked.
People always asked what system we used for teaching him. Our answer was always, "it's boring at our house so we talk a lot."
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#35I just sang, sang, sang anything that came to my mind. About mountains, clouds, courage, poo… It was just love pouring out of my heart, and I don’t know if it had something to do with it, but my kid started talking very early on and very well. The best thing is was that I got to know him very soon, while my peers and their daughters/sons still were kind of communicating.
It seems to vary a lot in my experience. I have two kids who basically got the same treatment. One was eloquently talking in coherent sentences of 4 or 5 words by 18 months ("plane in the sky", "teddy come downstairs", "want something to eat" etc) and was understandable by others outside the family , the other kid was barely able to grunt single words at the same age ("mukk" instead of milk, "nur-sa" instead of nurse…
That said, I believe it's nature and nurture in the end.
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#36They should do a study to test if letting babies watch a show like Last Airbender instead of Teletubbies has a positive effect.
Where many people go wrong is that they assume little kids are stupid instead of understanding that they lack context.
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Maybe more complex songs and songs with big words can make the baby more articulate. Maybe rap will have other effects. I wonder what's the effect of playing baby songs and exposing the baby to dumbed down versions of everything.
Haven't there been a bunch of studies about this sort of thing? Lyrics aren't relevant to someone who doesn't understand language. Voice is just another instrument. Syllables are just notes. Classical music is frequently cited as beneficial to learning and it has no lyrics. Nobody has ever suggested rap music is intellectually stimulating in any context, and they use a lot of words. Even on rats in mazes, blasting th…
You’re allowed to be obnoxiously ignorant, but don’t fool yourself into thinking you speak for anyone but yourself.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems to vary a lot in my experience. I have two kids who basically got the same treatment. One was eloquently talking in coherent sentences of 4 or 5 words by 18 months ("plane in the sky", "teddy come downstairs", "want something to eat" etc) and was understandable by others outside the family , the other kid was barely able to grunt single words at the same age ("mukk" instead of milk, "nur-sa" instead of nurse…
Yep. Having more than one kid disabuses us of the notion that our parenting was the driver in how awesome the kid turns out. That said, I believe it's nature and nurture in the end.
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#39They should do a study to test if letting babies watch a show like Last Airbender instead of Teletubbies has a positive effect.
And then Elmo happened and then Barney happened, and things have been on kind of a downhill slide into brightly colored, C-major MIDI music Cocomelon happyland.
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#40They should do a study to test if letting babies watch a show like Last Airbender instead of Teletubbies has a positive effect.
Perhaps because they were highly, highly experimental, the early little kids' edutainment shows, like Sesame Street and Mister Rogers' Neighborhood , just struck me as much better because they didn't insult children's intelligence, spoke to them as full persons, and had relatively rich and complex imagery, music, story, and humor. Which is why they're so watchable and beloved by adults . And then Elmo happened and th…
Classics that sound great sung by Raffi, Ella Jenkins and even Caspar Babypants are some sort of ear mush when done by Cocomelon, Kidz Bop et al.