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Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Complete nonsense. My uninformed guess is that they aren't buying from some political crony, so the crony's friend in the congress or senate (Ron Wyden probably) is rattling some cages.

Ron Wyden has been pretty consistent in his opposition to overreach of the 4th branch of govt for his entire political career. I don't think he's grifting. I'm usually very pessimistic about this stuff.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't. There are already laws in place, like the California Consumer Privacy Act, which governs how user data is handled.

And HIPPA.

*HIPAA

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#33

Complete nonsense. My uninformed guess is that they aren't buying from some political crony, so the crony's friend in the congress or senate (Ron Wyden probably) is rattling some cages.

> My uninformed guess

Your description of your own comment is quite likely the most self-aware statement I've ever seen here on HN.

You would do well to read up on Ron Wyden's history, both as a senator and as a representative.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#34

I’d be surprised if they’re “buying browsing data” instead of just having a tap on all major ISPs and siphoning everything off directly, or compelling ISPs to do this with NSLs.

Why create new problems (that will cost you lawyer money) when you can just buy the data?

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

#35

The main source that sells a continuous cross-platform civilian tracking dragnet (probably to the NSA) is Peter Thiel's company Palantir. Thiel is at the center of so much other sci-fi military industrial complex stuff, it's scary.

Update, actually NSA is a confirmed customer.

https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/11/leaked-palantir-doc-reveal...

The company's name is derived from The Lord of the Rings where the magical palantíri were "seeing-stones," described as indestructible balls of crystal used for communication and to see events in other parts of the world

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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post #25

> This won't guarantee answers, however. It does mean the NSA will either need to satisfy Wyden's request, or Congress will need to hold a procedural vote to push through the confirmation. So, the most probable outcome is that this will delay the process for a few weeks at most until congress just pushes it through. At least it shines a bit light on the whole charade. Not that it makes much of a difference for me, si…

> So, the most probable outcome is that this will delay the process for a few weeks at most until congress just pushes it through.

Tell that to all of the high ranking military positions that Senator Tuberville is still holding up months later.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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post #25

> This won't guarantee answers, however. It does mean the NSA will either need to satisfy Wyden's request, or Congress will need to hold a procedural vote to push through the confirmation. So, the most probable outcome is that this will delay the process for a few weeks at most until congress just pushes it through. At least it shines a bit light on the whole charade. Not that it makes much of a difference for me, si…

> But that would mean going against companies and we can't have that now, can we?

Exactly. Surveillance capitalism is orders of magnitude more invasive than the NSA and does not answer to anyone. Regulations don’t even really work because they can just offshore anything shady or do it through fly by night data brokers.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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post #30
post #25

> This won't guarantee answers, however. It does mean the NSA will either need to satisfy Wyden's request, or Congress will need to hold a procedural vote to push through the confirmation. So, the most probable outcome is that this will delay the process for a few weeks at most until congress just pushes it through. At least it shines a bit light on the whole charade. Not that it makes much of a difference for me, si…

This is very likely common practice by many other governments

what makes you think so?

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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post #37
post #25

> This won't guarantee answers, however. It does mean the NSA will either need to satisfy Wyden's request, or Congress will need to hold a procedural vote to push through the confirmation. So, the most probable outcome is that this will delay the process for a few weeks at most until congress just pushes it through. At least it shines a bit light on the whole charade. Not that it makes much of a difference for me, si…

> But that would mean going against companies and we can't have that now, can we? Exactly. Surveillance capitalism is orders of magnitude more invasive than the NSA and does not answer to anyone. Regulations don’t even really work because they can just offshore anything shady or do it through fly by night data brokers.

But private companies do not have the legal option to invade your home or use physical force on you.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intelligence agencies' very role is to break laws.

That's not true at all. Intelligence agencies can't just do whatever they want. They are beholden to the people just like every other government agency. They can be granted power to do things that ordinary people can't, but that doesn't mean they are above the law.

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