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I see software as a form of literacy - and I think this is a good point of view for your issue here. The bash commands and virtualisation host are words or perhaps "cliches" - short pieces of literate work that are available to everyone . And yes you don't have to remember them any more than you need to know every word in the OED. But people can then string those words together to make their own unique literate work…
The actual scripts: https://github.com/tteck/Proxmox After poking at a couple of these, they seem like they're 50% shiny packaging and 50% one-liner bash commands.
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I’m not saying memorize this stuff - put it in a big proxmox.readme.md file. Then you can incorporate the actual command into your script. Otherwise you end up incorporating this wrapper into other stuff, ad infinitum, and that’s how you get a complexity crisis.
Serious question: What is the advantage of Proxmox for power linux users that can run a debian or ubuntu server box + KVM ? I'm always reading stuff about people using proxmox but don't really understand its 'edge'
While things like TrueNAS exist with ZFS support, in the past iX systems has made some overeager patches to ZFS, to bring in new features that weren't appropriate to include yet IMO. I hate to dig up old news, but that's why I've avoided them so far.
Basically I've got Proxmox "figured out", which lets me fuck around with the things I want, rather than the things I don’t want. This reduces my very subjective mental overhead.
All the high availability stuff is wasted on me though, and I just disable the related services.
Note to new users experimenting with proxmox The most common "gotcha" with proxmox, is that it does NOT automatically adjust network stuff after install. If you switch out a network card or change what physical port it's connected with, you will lose network access, and need to manually edit `/etc/network/interfaces` to make sure your using a correct port ID and/or assigned IP are valid.
iface vmbr0 inet static
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bridge-ports
...Serious question: What is the advantage of Proxmox for power linux users that can run a debian or ubuntu server box + KVM ? I'm always reading stuff about people using proxmox but don't really understand its 'edge'
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100% agree. I have been running my own NAS the hard way: FreeBSD, ZFS, manual samba/NFS shares, dhcp+gateway+firewall, PXE Boot, Jellyfin (can't remember if it's in a jail or not). All this stuff is a huge, utter PITA and never works quite right. - I have to manually check the zpool periodically to see if there are faults. I went about 30d with a DEGRADED disk before I realized it, turns out it was a bad cable but if…
There is real benefit I think in the manual approach, you’ll learn so much. But at some point I just want to watch stuff on TV or want my Mom in another state to watch too.
Serious question: What is the advantage of Proxmox for power linux users that can run a debian or ubuntu server box + KVM ? I'm always reading stuff about people using proxmox but don't really understand its 'edge'
UI, zfs out of the box, has an api.
Slightly off topic: I’m setting up a home server on a Mini PC that has Windows 11 Pro pre-installed. I want to attach it to my TV and play retro games as well as run home automation tasks (periodic scripts, UniFi controller, Pihole etc) Is anyone using Proxmox on their homelabs? Would you recommend blowing away Windows and installing Proxmox and then install Windows with PCIE passthrough?
Serious question: What is the advantage of Proxmox for power linux users that can run a debian or ubuntu server box + KVM ? I'm always reading stuff about people using proxmox but don't really understand its 'edge'