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Re: Portuguese Orange, Persian Portugal

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"Portugal" is what you call oranges in some Arabic dialects as well. I have a Moroccan friend who refers to me as an Orange, because I'm Portuguese :-)

In Algeria we call Oranges "tchina" instead of "برتقال" which is funny because the Orange back then originated from China!

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My favorite example of this is turkey, the bird, being named after Turkey, India, or Peru, depending on the language being spoken.

And in French, in particular, it's named after India, but the word is an abbreviation and contraction of the phrase "poulet d'Inde" ("Indian chicken"), which got shortened to "dinde".

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Interestingly enough, Orange is called "oranju" in Tamil, a Dravidian language.

In Malayalam, lemon is naaranga. Local sweet varieties are called madhura naaranga or sweet lemon, where interestingly the former half is tatsama (as-is) Sansktri and latter pure Dravidian. Almost all citrus fruits have the naara root. This must be the same in Tamil too, except that it is usually free of tatsama Sanskrit terms.

The oranges that are commercially sold must be sweeter cultivars introduced later on, after English adoption, because of which we ended up calling these oranges.

Edit: Even Tamil is the English term for Thamizh.

Re: Portuguese Orange, Persian Portugal

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Very cool. Also, in Farsi tomatoes are called "foreign plums" and strawberries are called "foreign berries" i.e. gojeh farangi, and toot farangi

Frankish is what Farangistan and farangi was derived from. Referring to the Franks of course. I think it is from middle ages or earlier, if I’m not mistaken.

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Funny enough it seems in Persian there's no clear distinction between lime and lemon. My wife calls both "limoo". She does however claim there's a particular cultivars "limoo Shirin" that is supposedly very sweet (and hard to find outside of Iran)

I can’t recall having the sour variety of lemon in Iran. There’s lemon (english lime), and there’s sweet lemon. Well, it is only sweet if you have it in the first couple of seconds after opening. After exposure to the air, it doesn’t taste that great.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't have this distinction in Brazilian Portuguese too. When you refer to lemons you're usually referring to the green lime (which is called "limão-taiti", meaning tahiti lemon). When we want to refer to the yellow lemon (the common lemon outside South America) we usually say Sicilian lemon. There's another very common type of lime which we refer to as "limão-capeta" (devil's lemon), it's a small, orange-color li…

Limão Capeta must be what we call Limão Galego or Limão Bergamota or Limão Cravo in the south. It has more names than tangerines and makes a great caipirinha.

At least in São Paulo, limão galego is a small, green lemon and limão cravo is an orange-colored lemon that looks almost like a tangerine.

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Funny enough it seems in Persian there's no clear distinction between lime and lemon. My wife calls both "limoo". She does however claim there's a particular cultivars "limoo Shirin" that is supposedly very sweet (and hard to find outside of Iran)

I can’t recall having the sour variety of lemon in Iran. There’s lemon (english lime), and there’s sweet lemon. Well, it is only sweet if you have it in the first couple of seconds after opening. After exposure to the air, it doesn’t taste that great.

That's exactly what my wife said too, the limoo shirin is only sweet just after peeling/juicing and turns bitter fast. I looked it up and looks very similar to the "standard" yellow lemons we get in Europe, mostly grown in Spain and Italy. However she's adamant that they don't taste the same

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Funny enough it seems in Persian there's no clear distinction between lime and lemon. My wife calls both "limoo". She does however claim there's a particular cultivars "limoo Shirin" that is supposedly very sweet (and hard to find outside of Iran)

Lime is called "limoo Shirazi", meaning Lemon of Shiraz (a city). But you are right that both are usually just called limoo. Limoo Shirin is a rather common fruit here, I didn't expect that it is not easily found outside Iran. Although it doesn't taste that good and is usually mixed with orange juice or consumed for health benefits (it's considered good for preventing/treating cold).

I heard that the normal yellow limes we can buy in Europe aren't as sweet as limoo shirin. however it seems to be the same plant, just a different cultivar. Anyway, now I have yet another reason to go to Iran

Re: Portuguese Orange, Persian Portugal

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't have this distinction in Brazilian Portuguese too. When you refer to lemons you're usually referring to the green lime (which is called "limão-taiti", meaning tahiti lemon). When we want to refer to the yellow lemon (the common lemon outside South America) we usually say Sicilian lemon. There's another very common type of lime which we refer to as "limão-capeta" (devil's lemon), it's a small, orange-color li…

Limão Capeta must be what we call Limão Galego or Limão Bergamota or Limão Cravo in the south. It has more names than tangerines and makes a great caipirinha.

Funny that you mentioned this, in Italian "bergamotto" is a sort of bitter orange
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