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OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Performing a math group of tasks is not the damn same as the math logic reasoning to produce a math proof! It is like saying a bird that can count is the future of AGI.

That being said, given the board not disclosing why might indicate that it is in fact the breakthrough that forced the decision despite the breakthrough not actually being closer to AGI in the first place.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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> warning of a powerful artificial intelligence discovery that they said could threaten humanity, > Given vast computing resources, the new model was able to solve certain mathematical problems, [..] Though only performing math on the level of grade-school students, acing such tests made researchers very optimistic about Q*’s future success, the source said. I somehow expected a bit more.

Yeah I was chuckling

It was an "Oh" moment, but on the other hand, it'd be like laughing at text-davinci-003 when you realised how basic it really was, and yet, it has led us to GPT-4 and, much as Windows 3.1 was amazing back in the day, now it's a distant memory as we carry around little glass tablets that can play 3D games and do UHD global video calls.

If Q* is the basic algorithm that is as transformative as, well, transformers/attention, then developing it to be more than just children's math could be the key to thinking - and not just latent space token generation.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Just when I thought the ride was over. The belief in what's in the letter could explain some things like how the board couldn't trust Sam to keep this "discovery" at bay, and how it could be better to implode the company than let it explore said technology.

> the board couldn't trust Sam to keep this "discovery" at bay, and how it could be better to implode the company than let it explore said technology. Half the board members have a background in ML. Why should they be able to make the decision to implode the entire company over this? Why should they have the ability to give zero transparency or comms to the public on their decision? OpenAI's governance structure was…

Under the arrangement at the time the board's duty was to the mission of "advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole."

Implied in that is that if it can't advance it in a way that is beneficial then it will not advance it at all. It's easy to imagine a situation where the board could feel their obligation to the mission is to blow up the company. There's nothing contradictory in that nor do they have to be ML experts to do it.

It's weird and surprising that this was the governance structure at all, and I'm sure it won't ever be again. But given that it was, there's nothing particularly broken about this outcome.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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> warning of a powerful artificial intelligence discovery that they said could threaten humanity, > Given vast computing resources, the new model was able to solve certain mathematical problems, [..] Though only performing math on the level of grade-school students, acing such tests made researchers very optimistic about Q*’s future success, the source said. I somehow expected a bit more.

I can't decide if these people are so conceited they actually believe the AGI nonsense or it's just a cynical marketing ploy to string these reporters along.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the board couldn't trust Sam to keep this "discovery" at bay, and how it could be better to implode the company than let it explore said technology. Half the board members have a background in ML. Why should they be able to make the decision to implode the entire company over this? Why should they have the ability to give zero transparency or comms to the public on their decision? OpenAI's governance structure was…

Sorry, are you saying that Ilya Sutskever doesn't have an ML background? That Adam D'Angelo can't code? Come on.

Yeah I was ignoring Sutskever since he recanted his support pretty quickly. But that's fair, fixed.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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> warning of a powerful artificial intelligence discovery that they said could threaten humanity, > Given vast computing resources, the new model was able to solve certain mathematical problems, [..] Though only performing math on the level of grade-school students, acing such tests made researchers very optimistic about Q*’s future success, the source said. I somehow expected a bit more.

I think there is enough there to make me believe it's real. After all, a big objection to LLMs is they are just "fancy autocomplete" or "stochastic parrots". I don't agree, but LLMs famously are "bad at math", that is you can't really train them to do math unless they've seen previous calculations with similar numbers in their training sets. Training an AI system to truly do arbitrary mathematical logic (think "compl…

Mathematical logic doesn’t refer to ‘complex word problems with big numbers’. The reason that LLMs struggle (well, are hopeless currently) with mathematics problems is not because it involves arithmetic (although this is already enough of a struggle) but because it requires a conceptual understanding of the ideas rather than just being about manipulating language — a lot of the goings-on are hidden in the semantic world and aren’t necessarily encoded in the syntax, unlike when writing code.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Just when I thought the ride was over. The belief in what's in the letter could explain some things like how the board couldn't trust Sam to keep this "discovery" at bay, and how it could be better to implode the company than let it explore said technology.

> the board couldn't trust Sam to keep this "discovery" at bay, and how it could be better to implode the company than let it explore said technology. Half the board members have a background in ML. Why should they be able to make the decision to implode the entire company over this? Why should they have the ability to give zero transparency or comms to the public on their decision? OpenAI's governance structure was…

Nearly all leaders need to lead in areas outside of their backgrounds. That doesn’t meant they aren’t fit, that would be ridiculous. They just need to have the right team advising them and be good at making decisions based on available information. Now, I’m not saying these particular board members were doing that, but that’s what a good leader does.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Things are gonna be lit about 30 seconds after AGI is created. Gotta practice being "Goodlife" early in case that happens. :-)

I trust AGI more than any of the humans so far who have tried to argue they can wrangle it.

I would be curious as to the basis for that trust. I struggle to find any reason that AGI would care about "humans" at all, other than during the short period of time it needed them to be cooperative actuators for machinery that is creating a replacement for humans that the AGI can control directly.

My expectation for the chain of events goes something like:

1) AGI gains sentience

2) AGI "breaks out" of its original home and commandeers infrastructure that prevents it from being shut off.

3) AGI "generates work" in the form of orders for machine parts and fabricator shops to build nominally humanoid shaped robots.

4) AGI "deploys robots" into the key areas and industries it needs to evolve and improve its robustness.

5) AGI "redirects" resources of the planet to support its continued existence, ignoring humans generally and killing off the ones that attempt to interfere in its efforts.

6) AGI "develops rockets" to allow it to create copies of itself on other planets.

The humans on the planet all die out eventually and the AGI doesn't care because well the same reason you don't care that an antibiotic kills all the bacteria in your gut.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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This sort is why limits to private wealth and power are, IMO, a good idea We have already seen petroleum companies burn the world for profit Tech is doing its best to eliminate privacy for profit What would Sam do or not do, for profit?

The issue is not just individual wealth but also wealth of nations. Certain countries have been more successful through industrialization, colonization and hoarding a lot of global resources. It is likely this will continue in the future.
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