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Re: I lost all my points (karma).

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post #29

If you can't downvote away people's karma, how do you make people who suck go away?

Often it's behaviors that suck, not people. If you dislike something someone has said, the best way to deal with that is to reply explaining why. That's more work than just downmodding them, but it can pay off in the long term if you can turn someone into a useful contributor to the site instead of just making them leave.

Which is, I imagine, exactly why you can't downmod replies to your own comments.

Re: I lost all my points (karma).

#32
post #29

If you can't downvote away people's karma, how do you make people who suck go away?

Often it's behaviors that suck, not people. If you dislike something someone has said, the best way to deal with that is to reply explaining why. That's more work than just downmodding them, but it can pay off in the long term if you can turn someone into a useful contributor to the site instead of just making them leave.

I applaud your ability to maintain an optimistic viewpoint about humans even though all evidence points the opposite direction. What you're suggesting is completely unprecedented on the internet. What always happens is that an open forum is eventually overwhelmed by trolls and morons, and all the smart people give up. There has never been a case where a troll or a moron turned into a useful contributor because of thoughtful response from a good member of a forum. Just review the history of Digg, Slashdot, Reddit and almost any other open forum, all the way back to ancient USENET times...

Wasn't this forum created partially because reddit was overwhelmed by the hordes and all the interesting startup information was lost in the noise?

Re: I lost all my points (karma).

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often it's behaviors that suck, not people. If you dislike something someone has said, the best way to deal with that is to reply explaining why. That's more work than just downmodding them, but it can pay off in the long term if you can turn someone into a useful contributor to the site instead of just making them leave.

I applaud your ability to maintain an optimistic viewpoint about humans even though all evidence points the opposite direction. What you're suggesting is completely unprecedented on the internet. What always happens is that an open forum is eventually overwhelmed by trolls and morons, and all the smart people give up. There has never been a case where a troll or a moron turned into a useful contributor because of tho…

You'll very much enjoy reading http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html

But no, it was created primarily as a test for Arc. The fact that it's so beneficial and awesome is a wonderful side effect.

Re: I lost all my points (karma).

#35
post #22

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You should downmod the comments, not the person. What's happening here is that troll decides he doesn't like startupgeek, so troll goes to the threads page for startupgeek and downmods every single comment on there. If you think someone sucks, then downmod the sucky thing they said. Not all the non-sucky things.

I guess downmodding people doesn't really do anything, anyway. I still have to see all the future stuff they write. It would be cool if there was some way I could nuke people, so I wouldn't have to see posts or comments submitted by people like juwo, tracksuitceo, or one of guy kawasaki's sock puppets.

It's better to discriminate comments instead of people.

Re: I lost all my points (karma).

#36
post #10

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Downmodded for being mean, and you only joined two weeks ago. Who are you to say? Edit: I apologize for not sensing teh humorz. It was not so blatant.

Upmodded for not sensing blatant sarcasm.

There's this new tech that could be useful in helping you two communicate ;-)

Re: I lost all my points (karma).

#37
post #3

You're right. Someone went on a downmodding spree. I restored your karma. Now I'm going to have to write some software to prevent this kind of abuse. Great. As if I didn't have enough to do...

Maybe limit the number of "voting points" you get per day based on your karma? Works great at Perlmonks. Whoever it was went through my posts as well. I just figured I had pissed someone off with my Disqus post :-)

Re: I lost all my points (karma).

#38
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I applaud your ability to maintain an optimistic viewpoint about humans even though all evidence points the opposite direction. What you're suggesting is completely unprecedented on the internet. What always happens is that an open forum is eventually overwhelmed by trolls and morons, and all the smart people give up. There has never been a case where a troll or a moron turned into a useful contributor because of tho…

You'll very much enjoy reading http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html But no, it was created primarily as a test for Arc. The fact that it's so beneficial and awesome is a wonderful side effect.

Well, sort of true:

http://ycombinator.com/announcingnews.html

Yes, because of reddit. Yes, because of Arc. But mostly because it's a good way to learn about people.

Re: I lost all my points (karma).

#39
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often it's behaviors that suck, not people. If you dislike something someone has said, the best way to deal with that is to reply explaining why. That's more work than just downmodding them, but it can pay off in the long term if you can turn someone into a useful contributor to the site instead of just making them leave.

I applaud your ability to maintain an optimistic viewpoint about humans even though all evidence points the opposite direction. What you're suggesting is completely unprecedented on the internet. What always happens is that an open forum is eventually overwhelmed by trolls and morons, and all the smart people give up. There has never been a case where a troll or a moron turned into a useful contributor because of tho…

Perlmonks is the best example I've ever seen of maintaining a great place for smart people. It's been running non-stop for a decade. It's very open (even allowing anonymous posts) but has community rules that mostly reflect common decency. Over the years I've seen countless disrespectful newbies and trolls turned into contributing members of the community. The solution there has been to have long-time members volunteer to enforce the published rules in a consistent and fine-grained way. It requires implementing a user hierarchy, but we already have that here with the "editors". Publishing some rules and systematizing the editor controls would solve most of the problems reddit has faced.

Re: I lost all my points (karma).

#40
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often it's behaviors that suck, not people. If you dislike something someone has said, the best way to deal with that is to reply explaining why. That's more work than just downmodding them, but it can pay off in the long term if you can turn someone into a useful contributor to the site instead of just making them leave.

I applaud your ability to maintain an optimistic viewpoint about humans even though all evidence points the opposite direction. What you're suggesting is completely unprecedented on the internet. What always happens is that an open forum is eventually overwhelmed by trolls and morons, and all the smart people give up. There has never been a case where a troll or a moron turned into a useful contributor because of tho…

Actual trolls we'd ban. Merely dumb posts slide harmlessly into oblivion because they don't get any upvotes.

We'll never get the onslaught of 14 year olds they got at digg and reddit because most of them aren't interested in startups. You don't get idiots in your comment threads till you have this on your frontpage

http://power-robot.blogspot.com/2007/08/when-in-rome.html

so as long as we kill offtopic submissions, we should be safe.

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