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Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by bossyTeacher »

hotdogscout wrote: post #14
ed wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on my limited gaming experience I agree with the original quote (the last game I played was cyberpunk). Is there an obvious “everyone should play ___” recommendation, that has story and characters with depth and believable motives? Edit: I realize that was kind of a lazy question so thanks to everyone for the answers!

The Beginner's Guide, Fallout New Vegas, Disco Elysium, Professor Layton series, Mother series, Bioshock series, 999, Virtue's Last Reward, Portal, Vampire the Masquerade, Arcanum, Death Stranding, Silent Hill, Kid Icarus Uprising, there are so many.

I think you should be considering the number of games matching the criteria against the total number of games available. You will see that even 100 is a drop in the ocean of hundreds of thousands of games.

Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by hotdogscout »

ed wrote: post #11
4death4 wrote: post #4

Almost no mention of streaming and also contains this gem: > Lucas and Spielberg also spoke of vast differences between filmmaking and video games because the latter hasn’t been able to tell stories and make consumers care about the characters This definitely wasn’t true at the time and it isn’t true now. Just goes to show how hard it is to predict the future.

Based on my limited gaming experience I agree with the original quote (the last game I played was cyberpunk). Is there an obvious “everyone should play ___” recommendation, that has story and characters with depth and believable motives? Edit: I realize that was kind of a lazy question so thanks to everyone for the answers!

Someone wrote they think Portal/TLOU/Bioshock have one dimensional characters and stories but deleted (maybe fearing downvotes), but I wanted to know:

What games do you think excel at story/character?

The average perspective of literary studies presents characters in media as often not made to simulate humans but be symbols for ideas, conflict, groups, emotions.

https://thepointmag.com/criticism/real-characters-literary-c...

Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by dekhn »

4death4 wrote: post #4

Almost no mention of streaming and also contains this gem: > Lucas and Spielberg also spoke of vast differences between filmmaking and video games because the latter hasn’t been able to tell stories and make consumers care about the characters This definitely wasn’t true at the time and it isn’t true now. Just goes to show how hard it is to predict the future.

Half Life. I mean, I care more about Gordon Freeman than I do "David" in Spielberg's AI.

Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by verve_rat »

ed wrote: post #11
4death4 wrote: post #4

Almost no mention of streaming and also contains this gem: > Lucas and Spielberg also spoke of vast differences between filmmaking and video games because the latter hasn’t been able to tell stories and make consumers care about the characters This definitely wasn’t true at the time and it isn’t true now. Just goes to show how hard it is to predict the future.

Based on my limited gaming experience I agree with the original quote (the last game I played was cyberpunk). Is there an obvious “everyone should play ___” recommendation, that has story and characters with depth and believable motives? Edit: I realize that was kind of a lazy question so thanks to everyone for the answers!

The Stanley Parable.

Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by shahar2k »

ed wrote: post #11
4death4 wrote: post #4

Almost no mention of streaming and also contains this gem: > Lucas and Spielberg also spoke of vast differences between filmmaking and video games because the latter hasn’t been able to tell stories and make consumers care about the characters This definitely wasn’t true at the time and it isn’t true now. Just goes to show how hard it is to predict the future.

Based on my limited gaming experience I agree with the original quote (the last game I played was cyberpunk). Is there an obvious “everyone should play ___” recommendation, that has story and characters with depth and believable motives? Edit: I realize that was kind of a lazy question so thanks to everyone for the answers!

hah it's possibly a bit of a cheat but immortality (cheat because as a game it's largely a movie)

but yeah as far as compelling characters through games alone, Pentiment was incredible around the same time

Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by soulofmischief »

swombat wrote: post #18
ed wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on my limited gaming experience I agree with the original quote (the last game I played was cyberpunk). Is there an obvious “everyone should play ___” recommendation, that has story and characters with depth and believable motives? Edit: I realize that was kind of a lazy question so thanks to everyone for the answers!

The Last Of Us has been mentioned, and I'd also add a recent entry, Baldur's Gate 3.

I am loving the depth and richness of Baldur's Gate so far, but I will be honest. The storytelling, as creative as it is, feels very flat due to how it seems to be presented. I almost feel like a sociopath while playing the game, due to how little I feel invested in the overall plot and its characters.

For example, there is a high degree of ludonarrative dissonance, and quite regularly an emotional or otherwise important event will take place, to absolutely zero fanfare or reaction from the party. You just get dropped back into the game.

I know it is a matter of scope and available resources, but it reminds me a lot of how one might compare the narratives of GTA: San Andreas vs GTAV. Many prefer the overall plot, scope and worldbuilding of GTA: San Andreas vs GTAV. But due to time crunch and constrained resources, parts of the game had to be cut and it really shows.

More typically of games of its time, San Andreas can very abruptly take you in and out of the narrative experience, to the point that some emotional cues are lost. Red Dead Redemption 2 on the other hand excellently bridges this gap, possibly in the most organic fashion to date from any video game.

I hope Larian can look toward recent games such as Red Dead Redemption 2 and Cyberpunk for guidance on how to handle a narrative-heavy experience more organically and holistically.

Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by myk9001 »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #31
hotdogscout wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Beginner's Guide, Fallout New Vegas, Disco Elysium, Professor Layton series, Mother series, Bioshock series, 999, Virtue's Last Reward, Portal, Vampire the Masquerade, Arcanum, Death Stranding, Silent Hill, Kid Icarus Uprising, there are so many.

I think you should be considering the number of games matching the criteria against the total number of games available. You will see that even 100 is a drop in the ocean of hundreds of thousands of games.

Doesn't this apply equally to movies?

Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by hotdogscout »

umvi wrote: post #29
ed wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on my limited gaming experience I agree with the original quote (the last game I played was cyberpunk). Is there an obvious “everyone should play ___” recommendation, that has story and characters with depth and believable motives? Edit: I realize that was kind of a lazy question so thanks to everyone for the answers!

Uncharted games are very good. Story driven and cinematic, they play like an Indiana Jones movie.

But they're actually Firefly

https://youtu.be/QqkEpB3iDNM?si=0TektV6FjUw4QC5M

Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by bacro »

ed wrote: post #11
4death4 wrote: post #4

Almost no mention of streaming and also contains this gem: > Lucas and Spielberg also spoke of vast differences between filmmaking and video games because the latter hasn’t been able to tell stories and make consumers care about the characters This definitely wasn’t true at the time and it isn’t true now. Just goes to show how hard it is to predict the future.

Based on my limited gaming experience I agree with the original quote (the last game I played was cyberpunk). Is there an obvious “everyone should play ___” recommendation, that has story and characters with depth and believable motives? Edit: I realize that was kind of a lazy question so thanks to everyone for the answers!

Dead Space series (specially 2), Max Payne, Metal Gear Solid 3, Silent Hill 2, Rule of Rose, Mass Effect 3 are the ones I remember that I enjoyed its story and cared about the characters pretty much.

Re: Steven Spielberg Predicts 'Implosion' of Film Industry (2013)

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Post by fullshark »

namaria wrote: post #22
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #9

The movie industry is going to dwindle in size and power over the next decade. Look at the crappy AI apps that can generate 'movies' available now , look at what unreal engine 5 can do, look at what ChatGPT can do...in 5 - 10 years, we will be able to give a prompt and have photorealistic movies/tv episodes generated, which will satisfy the vast majority of people.

I really don't think private puppet shows, as visually impressive as they could get, would be engaging. The point of a good story is in no small part the surprise and the transformation in world view it is capable of delivering.

Fine it will be hobbyists/moonlighting creators on streaming platforms delivering a heavy dose of 20 second to 30 minute AI generated content. Basically where we are today except it will just get more and more engaging as the tools become more accessible/powerful.
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