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Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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post #13

"more to say about what's next" in Sam's tweet earlier, and now, "greater things are coming" huh, do they already have a plan or is this just generic optimism?

Probably generic optimism backed by realistic track records. If you spend 20 years founding and running companies, it stands to think there will be another one.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

#32
post #24

If this was a palace coup based on a disagreement on direction, then OpenAI is done. Microsoft won’t be able to trust the board going forward, and so the money will dry up. Most of the talent will follow Sam/Greg. OpenAI will wither on the vine. That said, I feel like more is to come out still. The board made serious accusations.

I agree this is likely disastrous for OpenAI's current corporate structure, and Microsoft will be very unhappy. But as an ML researcher, I suspect lots of researchers are going to continue to follow Ilya, unless his reputation has significantly changed (he does seem a lot more doomer-y recently ...)

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

#33
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just a technical perspective, but when it comes to developing advanced artificial intelligence industries, technology doesn't determine everything.

I'm sure they can get funding at this point if needed.

Even an investor with deep pockets like Microsoft would be shocked by such a sudden action by the board of directors,and Microsoft will treat its money more carefully.I don't think Microsoft can pretend nothing happened.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

#34
This reminds me of the time at Facebook when one of OpenAI’s current board members was upset that the Director of Facebook Platform was getting more praise and attention than he was, in his role as Co-Founder and CTO (or whatever). That caused a lot of problems, from which the Facebook Platform never recovered.

People who start out petty usually remain that way. There’s a lot of people in this world whose happiness depends on others doing just a little bit worse-off than them.

If I was a developer building on OpenAI’s platform today, I would begin putting my contingency plans into place.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure they can get funding at this point if needed.

Even an investor with deep pockets like Microsoft would be shocked by such a sudden action by the board of directors,and Microsoft will treat its money more carefully.I don't think Microsoft can pretend nothing happened.

if they don't screw up again, it will eventually be forgotten as all things are and business as usual.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

#37

I think we just experienced an all-time moment in corporate politics. It's kind of like Steve Jobs being fired, but if it happened immediately after the Apple II. It feels like OpenAI has already cemented its place in history, whether or not it becomes a titan for the long run.

It's very, very common.

Remember when Jack Dorsey was ousted from Twitter and replaced by Evan Williams, who was himself ousted and replaced by Dick Costolo, who was replaced when Dorsey came back? Or the drama around Yishan Wong's sudden resignation as Reddit CEO, to be replaced by Ellen Pao, to be replaced as the founder Steve Huffman came back? The Flexport drama last month where the hired CEO was replaced by the founder? The movie "The Social Network"? Going back a bit, Sandy Lerner and Leonard Bosack's ouster from Cisco, or Diane Green and Mendel Rosenblum's ouster from VMWare?

Build something successful and there will be a lot of infighting about who gets to control it.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

#38
post #24

If this was a palace coup based on a disagreement on direction, then OpenAI is done. Microsoft won’t be able to trust the board going forward, and so the money will dry up. Most of the talent will follow Sam/Greg. OpenAI will wither on the vine. That said, I feel like more is to come out still. The board made serious accusations.

Microsoft won't trust the board regardless because they weren't in-the-loop for a material event which tanked their stock.

Re: Sam Altman and Greg Brockman Joint Statement

#39
Something to consider: the post announcing his firing is now the 7th most upvoted post on hacker news and climbing. Does Sam Altman really deserve that much attention for his role in OpenAI, and is the fact that it's getting this much attention part of the reason he was kicked?

Zuckerberg started Fb in his dorm and Steve Jobs left his mark on every inch of their flagship products. Altman was positioned to be the next "Jobs / Zuckerberg" but I can't say I know he really deserved it as much as people seem to think. Obviously open to completely changing my mind.

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