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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by NOWHERE_ »

swozey wrote: post #23
baz00 wrote: post #3

Hopefully I can turn it off. I do not know anyone who uses RCS who didn't end up on WhatsApp or Telegram pretty quickly afterwards.

Why would you turn it off? What if you hire a contractor for some work and they need to send you pictures/video from an Android? Or a realtor, mechanic, craigslist seller, or just someone you don't have/want a personal relationship with. You're not adding these people to WhatsApp/Telegram.. I have probably hundreds more phone contacts than people I have on whatsapp.

Funnily it’s vice versa for me. I don’t give out my phone number to random people, but instead give them my telegram handle of a throwaway account.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by baz00 »

swozey wrote: post #23
baz00 wrote: post #3

Hopefully I can turn it off. I do not know anyone who uses RCS who didn't end up on WhatsApp or Telegram pretty quickly afterwards.

Why would you turn it off? What if you hire a contractor for some work and they need to send you pictures/video from an Android? Or a realtor, mechanic, craigslist seller, or just someone you don't have/want a personal relationship with. You're not adding these people to WhatsApp/Telegram.. I have probably hundreds more phone contacts than people I have on whatsapp.

It's just so bloody unreliable. UK here. Literally everyone is on WhatsApp. I haven't found anyone who isn't!

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by throw0101a »

> Breaking: Apple will support RCS - the green bubble shame set to end

Note that the green bubble could be kept for other reasons: RCS is a major improvement over SMS/MMS, but there could still be functionality that isn't on par with a completely in-house system like 'iMessage'.

The green/blue distinction may still be useful for setting certain expectations on how things work.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by hedora »

I hope they continue the green bubble shaming. Apparently RCS (at least as implemented in practice) still doesn't support end to end encryption.

In particular, they should color messages green if they can be forged by intermediaries / collected for bulk surveillance / used for ad targeting / sold to third parties by your carrier / etc.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by mdasen »

jwells89 wrote: post #17
mattl wrote: post #13

I wonder what color the bubble will be?

Maybe not green, but it should probably remain different so there’s an unmistakable visual indicator of which conversations are encrypted (assuming Apple implements carrier-flavor RCS, which to my knowledge is not encrypted unlike Google-flavor).

I think it'll remain green. Apple might feel pressure to implement RCS to ward off regulators, but keeping the chats green will likely still serve Apple's purpose. Even if RCS is 100% as good as iMessage, a decade of green bubbles has cemented the perception in people's minds. Even if people don't know why a green bubble is worse (and even if they aren't worse), it will still be their perception.

Apple has no reason to change the color from green and let users know that they shouldn't care as much as they used to.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by TechRemarker »

throw0101a wrote: post #33

> Breaking: Apple will support RCS - the green bubble shame set to end Note that the green bubble could be kept for other reasons: RCS is a major improvement over SMS/MMS, but there could still be functionality that isn't on par with a completely in-house system like 'iMessage'. The green/blue distinction may still be useful for setting certain expectations on how things work.

Yeah definetly would not expect it to be blue as 9 to 5 noted how Apple mentioned it won't be as secure as iMessage and iMessage will be separate. So presumably people texting will still want to know if they see blue they get full privacy where is if they see green or a new color it means yes they get lots of new features like iMessage, but not as secure as iMessage. But the green bubble (or whatever new color) will be less shameful, if users in general can group chat and chat easily without worrying about not being able to do most all the standard features they can with other iPhone users. Time will tell.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by system16 »

> This will work alongside iMessage, which will continue to be the best and most secure messaging experience for Apple users," said an Apple spokesperson.

I could be wrong but I don’t see anything here to suggest non-iMessages will no longer have the “green bubble” like the author assumes.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by stephenr »

jwells89 wrote: post #17
mattl wrote: post #13

I wonder what color the bubble will be?

Maybe not green, but it should probably remain different so there’s an unmistakable visual indicator of which conversations are encrypted (assuming Apple implements carrier-flavor RCS, which to my knowledge is not encrypted unlike Google-flavor).

It says they're going to support Universal Profile, which is the GSMA defined feature set, and it's not immediately obvious to me if that includes E2EE capacity (I highly doubt it's a requirement) - I recall seeing something saying that "standard" (non-Google) RCS group chat doesn't support it.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by hedora »

no_wizard wrote: post #28

This is something I never thought I'd see. I hope the GSM association moves fast to make robust E2EE a standard required for proper implementation for carriers. That would go a long way in making a huge improvement over SMS/MMS. This is a win for RCS, ultimately. Maybe this will kick carriers into high gear to up their messaging standard support game and have standard interop. I don't think this will lead to a declin…

The only reason they'd move to E2EE would be if Apple forced them.

Looking at / selling message contents is a large potential revenue source for all the other major players.

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