Anyone who has touched an unwrapped dishwasher tablet with wet hands can tell you it has stuff in to pretty rapidly dissolve human...
Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but isn't this even worse? I can control what I use at home. I can't when I eat or drink out. So I get to pick between PFAS soaked throwaway single use cardboard cups or epithelial barrier damaging glass/ceramic ware.
There's a lesson in that first few sentences. Of course eating out is risky as it's a black box where you get food for putting money in it. You're not guaranteed quality or safety in the more subtle sense
So far, to my knowledge, I've gotten food poisoning from something I cooked for myself exactly once, and that's because my 12 year old dumbass brain thought microwaving a steak for a few minutes was a valid was a valid way to cook it
Almost every time I've actually gotten sick from food has been eating out. I've also seen some close calls like when my fiancee was served 'rare' pork... Which isn't a culinary thing.
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a lesson in that first few sentences. Of course eating out is risky as it's a black box where you get food for putting money in it. You're not guaranteed quality or safety in the more subtle sense
So far, to my knowledge, I've gotten food poisoning from something I cooked for myself exactly once, and that's because my 12 year old dumbass brain thought microwaving a steak for a few minutes was a valid was a valid way to cook it Almost every time I've actually gotten sick from food has been eating out. I've also seen some close calls like when my fiancee was served 'rare' pork... Which isn't a culinary thing.
you microwaved a steak?!!
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a lesson in that first few sentences. Of course eating out is risky as it's a black box where you get food for putting money in it. You're not guaranteed quality or safety in the more subtle sense
So far, to my knowledge, I've gotten food poisoning from something I cooked for myself exactly once, and that's because my 12 year old dumbass brain thought microwaving a steak for a few minutes was a valid was a valid way to cook it Almost every time I've actually gotten sick from food has been eating out. I've also seen some close calls like when my fiancee was served 'rare' pork... Which isn't a culinary thing.
> I've also seen some close calls like when my fiancee was served 'rare' pork... Which isn't a culinary thing.
Don't let the Germans know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had over 10 years of eczeme/sensitivity between my fingers after operating a professional dishwasher for under a year. I always thought the reason was the handling of the hot, sprayed tableware. It set on pretty quickly too : couple of months.
It probably is. There's no indication that these results mean anything about the effects on skin.
> There's no indication that these results mean anything about the effects on skin.
I didn't claim that, but I think it was a combination of the temperature and the (rinse) spray. One could feel the spray.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They specifically mention that they could not repeat their findings on consumer dishwashers. this should be the top comment
Yes, but let me add my personal but - bottles for kids often have complex non leaking valves where detergent accumulates - as in you can see pieces of undissolved tablet every single time inside it. If missed it’ll affect little kids, every day, so be aware.
Also personal, but not every member of the family thinks about how water behaves — like how it pools — while loading the machine.
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#37Most residential dishwashers seem to have a rinse-aid dispenser that you fill up with usually finish jet-dry.
It seems to have the alcohol ethoxylates mentioned in this paper:
https://www.ewg.org/guides/cleaners/2994-FinishJetDryRinseAg...
I expect it is also in the finish dishwasher detergent pods.
digging deeper the wikipedia article on ethoxylation says:
Ethoxylated fatty alcohols are often converted to the corresponding organosulfates, which can be easily deprotonated to give anionic surfactants such as sodium laureth sulfate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation
I had trouble with SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate) and switched to toothpaste, shampoo and laundry detergents without this.
This chemical has gotten a bad rap and a lot of formulas were changed to use sodium laureth sulfate mentioned above. (I avoided that too)
I'll bet they are all trouble.
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#38Get yourself a big old tub of anhydrous citric acid from Amazon or wherever, make up a 10% solution and use that in place of rinse aid. Just check with your dishwasher manufacturer that it’s not going to cause issues first. I got a new Miele unit a few months ago and the manual specifically advises the use of such a solution, with caution not to make it any stronger. It’s been working like a charm.
I'm not using rinse aid at all. Just dishwasher gel with no rinse aid included, and salt. Cheap-ish Beko dishwasher. No issues.
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#39Interesting, my mother taught me to always rinse the soap off from my dishes thoroughly and look at that. Sometimes superstition is more useful than expert advice.
What's superstitious about that? Soap isn't made for human consumption, it seems prudent to avoid consumption unless proven safe.
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#40Is there an ELI5?