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It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
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#32I've been trying to figure out how to disable my trucks cellular antenna without disabling any other systems. It's proven more difficult than I thought.
Could potentially Faraday cage it if you can find the exact spot it's at.
Careful with that or it might just eat up your battery trying to contact cellular towers at maximum power with a short retry interval.
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#33Another reason to prefer Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
using AA/CP won’t prevent your car from being exploited.
It means my infotainment system is a dumb screen, so no opportunity for irresponsible development practices to leave an unsecured text message database lying around.
I'm not going to go as far as to say it can't be exploited, but that is a significantly smaller risk surface.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Both of which require Bluetooth pairing (or at least auto-pair without asking you if I recall correctly) which allows the head unit to siphon data!
I always connect to CarPlay with a wire, and have never connected with bluetoooth. It has not auto paired Bluetooth either with iPhones. I have not used Android Auto, but if it does auto pair Bluetooth, that would be a shame. I thought the whole point was that the car just provides a screen your phone can extend a display to, and no data ever leaves.
Android Auto can do both wired and wireless. Wired in fact is the only option on cars more than a few years old.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let’s face it, in an energy starved world the car of the future is an e-bike. Side effect it’s free of connected BS. So far…
We will not be "energy starved" anytime soon, short of an actual apocalypse happening. What we use for energy may change, but energy won't.
We live on free energy, free as in "dig a hole and voilà": energy. No nuclear, no solar, no wind can replace the sheer amount of energy we extract out of oil and coal. I’m afraid privacy in cars is going to be the least of humanity’s problems unless we make fusion working.
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#36I've been trying to figure out how to disable my trucks cellular antenna without disabling any other systems. It's proven more difficult than I thought.
The easiest way to do this is usually to unplug the antenna and replace it with an RF terminator. The vehicle will simply think it is always out of range of cellular service. Unfortunately most modern vehicles require a lot of finagling to disable the telematics control module itself without causing error messages.
It would be nice if some regulator would mandate an "easy-off" function for vehicle telematics - some kind of simple procedure which would remove a telematics module from the installation list and allow the module to be unplugged without triggering fault detection. This is possible on some cars using dealership tools to re-train (sometimes called "code") the configuration blobs in each control module to omit telematics, but it's not standardized and usually too difficult for a consumer to manage.
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#37> In other words, it's A-OK for your car to "automatically and without authorization , instantaneously intercept, record, download, store, and [be] capable of transmitting" text messages and call logs since the privacy violation is potential, but the injury not necessarily actual. So it's effectively legal to sell backdoored hardware and software to spy on people. I wonder what would happen if I sold backdoored phone…
This is a decision made regarding Washington state law’s “statutory injury requirement” [1]. It says “a plaintiff must allege an injury to ‘his or her business, his or her person, or his or her reputation,’” with “a bare violation” of the privacy law being “insufficient to satisfy the statutory injury requirement.” It is particular to Washington state, not all Americans. And it may not apply to a prosecutor versus pr…
That sounds remarkably like saying "it's ok to drive drunk, as long as you don't hurt anyone"; which, clearly, is ridiculous. If you're breaking the law, there should be consequences even if you didn't _happen_ to hurt someone this time.
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#38Not in eu
Probably not even if you voluntarily "agree" to it via some button and a very long incomprehensible legal text.
And especially not if you're forced to agree to use a specific feature.
But nobody really knows if car vendors really follow the laws. Facebook/Instagram seem to collect a lot of data anyways, and probably will just pay a huge fine in many years, when they get sentenced for it.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
We will not be "energy starved" anytime soon, short of an actual apocalypse happening. What we use for energy may change, but energy won't.
We live on free energy, free as in "dig a hole and voilà": energy. No nuclear, no solar, no wind can replace the sheer amount of energy we extract out of oil and coal. I’m afraid privacy in cars is going to be the least of humanity’s problems unless we make fusion working.
> No nuclear, no solar, no wind can replace the sheer amount of energy we extract out of oil and coal
What are you basing this on? You realise we have localised grids that go 100% renewable regularly, and could easily keep doing that with electrified transport?
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#40I've been trying to figure out how to disable my trucks cellular antenna without disabling any other systems. It's proven more difficult than I thought.
For most manufacturers, you can purchase access to the technical documentation for a short period. I paid Toyota $20 for 48 hours of access and got PDFs of the official instructions for how to remove the 4G module.