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We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by audiala »

robbomacrae wrote: post #20

I was a bit surprised about their choice of example app. With tour guide/info you need to be re-assured the information you're giving is correct. But asking LLM's to write it for you is a recipe for hallucinations. I built Summer AI to do audio tour guides using old fashioned web scraping and then piping the output through LLM's just to summarize and even then use a couple of extra steps to ensure factual accuracy. D…

We are working on a similar application and we have the same observation: external data is required to avoid hallucinations, especially if you go to less known places. It's absolutely the case with GPT-3.5 and often with GTP-4. We will release our new content in the next few days. We are finally wondering about eating the cost of expensive TTS or going with a cheap option for okay results. Can I ask which option you used for TTS?

Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by audiala »

ugh123 wrote: post #13
maartenbreddels wrote: post #2

We (the authors of the Solara web app framework) were inspired by the OpenAI keynote Wanderlust app they demoed and rebuilt it in Python using Solara. It would be good to showcase our framework's power and inspire others to build UI's with AI/LLM elements in it. GitHub: https://github.com/widgetti/wanderlust App: https://huggingface.co/spaces/solara-dev/wanderlust X: https://twitter.com/maartenbreddels/status/1722324…

My dream is to have a real AI-powered travel agent that would do all the discovery stuff per my constraints and selections and then book reservations (where needed) for anything. The AI agent would fill out all the necessary online forms or make calls and collect confirmations. Then it would present me with my itinerary which I can ask it to change at any time.

How would you like to specify your constraints? We are working on this exact problem (not there yet).

Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by robbomacrae »

audiala wrote: post #31
robbomacrae wrote: post #20

I was a bit surprised about their choice of example app. With tour guide/info you need to be re-assured the information you're giving is correct. But asking LLM's to write it for you is a recipe for hallucinations. I built Summer AI to do audio tour guides using old fashioned web scraping and then piping the output through LLM's just to summarize and even then use a couple of extra steps to ensure factual accuracy. D…

We are working on a similar application and we have the same observation: external data is required to avoid hallucinations, especially if you go to less known places. It's absolutely the case with GPT-3.5 and often with GTP-4. We will release our new content in the next few days. We are finally wondering about eating the cost of expensive TTS or going with a cheap option for okay results. Can I ask which option you…

Hello! I know of your guys work! I try to keep up with all the competitors :) Feel free to reach out to me rob @ summer dot ai and I'd be happy to talk shop.

For anyone else that is interested in this question: I've tried a whole bunch of the TTS services and found that Microsoft and AWS are the best of the standard providers IMHO and these are services that tend to have startup credits available so I use a mix of these two - I try to never rely on just one provider. I've met with the Eleven Labs folks and some of their demo's of the V2 stuff that's coming are really amazing but latency and pricing might rule them out as an option for the time being.

Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by audiala »

robbomacrae wrote: post #33
audiala wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are working on a similar application and we have the same observation: external data is required to avoid hallucinations, especially if you go to less known places. It's absolutely the case with GPT-3.5 and often with GTP-4. We will release our new content in the next few days. We are finally wondering about eating the cost of expensive TTS or going with a cheap option for okay results. Can I ask which option you…

Hello! I know of your guys work! I try to keep up with all the competitors :) Feel free to reach out to me rob @ summer dot ai and I'd be happy to talk shop. For anyone else that is interested in this question: I've tried a whole bunch of the TTS services and found that Microsoft and AWS are the best of the standard providers IMHO and these are services that tend to have startup credits available so I use a mix of th…

Thanks for the answer Rob, we just reached out :) We arrived to the same conclusion, we mostly rely on AWS Polly so far. Hopefully the pricing of better alternatives goes significantly down in the next months. We even tried to run different open source solutions but we could not find anything SOTA.

Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by farmin »

albert_e wrote: post #29
maartenbreddels wrote: post #2

We (the authors of the Solara web app framework) were inspired by the OpenAI keynote Wanderlust app they demoed and rebuilt it in Python using Solara. It would be good to showcase our framework's power and inspire others to build UI's with AI/LLM elements in it. GitHub: https://github.com/widgetti/wanderlust App: https://huggingface.co/spaces/solara-dev/wanderlust X: https://twitter.com/maartenbreddels/status/1722324…

Did you also use help from LLMs in coding this app instead of just coding it all by hand? Just curious. I am finding myself reaching for GPT4 more often to spin up POC apps. You could fine-tune a coding assistant on your library and good quality example apps with documentation ... and that might take the ease of churning out new demos and apps to the next level?

Exactly. I'm using gpt4 more than copilot as of today. I just keep adding more info and get it to write the code that I cp.

I ask it to write it in small chuncks but in the same context. I sometimes have to remind it to refer back to decisions we made earlier.

Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by jillesvangurp »

brandall10 wrote: post #28
robbomacrae wrote: post #20

I was a bit surprised about their choice of example app. With tour guide/info you need to be re-assured the information you're giving is correct. But asking LLM's to write it for you is a recipe for hallucinations. I built Summer AI to do audio tour guides using old fashioned web scraping and then piping the output through LLM's just to summarize and even then use a couple of extra steps to ensure factual accuracy. D…

Was this with GPT-4? I used it to plan a summer European trip to 17 cities and didn't notice any hallucinations for what must have been 20 hours of back and forth creating itineraries, day trips, etc. Did not use it as my only source of info, still watched some videos by Rick Steeves and Wolter's World, but it far and away was the most efficient part of the planning process for me.

I've also used it a few times to suggest things to do in the last few months. It came up with OK suggestions.

Also, they literally just demoed something similar as this project as part of their recent keynote on new openai stuff. The demo featured focused on their new assistant api.

I've actually grilled chat gpt a bit on geographic information on a few occasions. It's not perfect but surprisingly good. It obviously extracts a lot of that from things like wikipedia.

You can actually ask it to answer in geojson format, paste it in geojson.io and end up with a usable map. It seems to know about a lot of landmarks; including coordinates. For smaller venues, the coordinates are not super accurate.

You can also ask it to provide geojson for the boundingbox of a city or area. I even asked it to pretend to be an in car navigation system and provide me with directions to an address. It half succeeded in listing correct streets but messing up right and left. With the latest chatgpt it just asks bing.

Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by d4rkp4ttern »

maartenbreddels wrote: post #2

We (the authors of the Solara web app framework) were inspired by the OpenAI keynote Wanderlust app they demoed and rebuilt it in Python using Solara. It would be good to showcase our framework's power and inspire others to build UI's with AI/LLM elements in it. GitHub: https://github.com/widgetti/wanderlust App: https://huggingface.co/spaces/solara-dev/wanderlust X: https://twitter.com/maartenbreddels/status/1722324…

Solara looks like an interesting Python webapp framework. Any differentiation w r t Streamlit ?

Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by brandall10 »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #36
brandall10 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was this with GPT-4? I used it to plan a summer European trip to 17 cities and didn't notice any hallucinations for what must have been 20 hours of back and forth creating itineraries, day trips, etc. Did not use it as my only source of info, still watched some videos by Rick Steeves and Wolter's World, but it far and away was the most efficient part of the planning process for me.

I've also used it a few times to suggest things to do in the last few months. It came up with OK suggestions. Also, they literally just demoed something similar as this project as part of their recent keynote on new openai stuff. The demo featured focused on their new assistant api. I've actually grilled chat gpt a bit on geographic information on a few occasions. It's not perfect but surprisingly good. It obviously…

The topic of this thread is intended to be a loose recreation what was used in the OpenAI demo. I guess my assertion is that it could work quite well for a travel agent type of functionality, at least for the type of service an average travel agent provides. For something like a tour guide that needs to gives depth it probably does fall flat quite a bit.

I can totally understand not being great for smaller landmarks... it could be the case too that it could trigger a call to an external service for things it doesn't have high confidence about.

Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by maartenbreddels »

d4rkp4ttern wrote: post #37
maartenbreddels wrote: post #2

We (the authors of the Solara web app framework) were inspired by the OpenAI keynote Wanderlust app they demoed and rebuilt it in Python using Solara. It would be good to showcase our framework's power and inspire others to build UI's with AI/LLM elements in it. GitHub: https://github.com/widgetti/wanderlust App: https://huggingface.co/spaces/solara-dev/wanderlust X: https://twitter.com/maartenbreddels/status/1722324…

Solara looks like an interesting Python webapp framework. Any differentiation w r t Streamlit ?

On https://solara.dev/docs/tutorial/streamlit we highlight the main differences:

* Solara will not continuously re-execute your script as Streamlit does.

* Solara will re-execute components instead, only what needs to. * State in Solara is separate from the UI components, unlike streamlit, where they are strongly linked.

* State can be on the application level (global) for simplicity or on the component level (local) for creating reusable components.

* Solara should not block the render loop. Long-running functions should be executed in a thread using use_thread.

Re: We wrote the OpenAI Wanderlust app in pure Python using Solara

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Post by fragmede »

ugh123 wrote: post #23
fragmede wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how much are you willing to pay for this service? because it's not like human travel agents don't exist today, just like human drivers exist today. Does having an AI book the tickets for you meaningfully change the things for you, the customer?

>Does having an AI book the tickets for you meaningfully change the things for you, the customer? Of course it does. You don't think replacing humans in the full service travel industry wouldn't drive down costs and upgrade capabilities and experience could be a thing?

The industry, obviously. How does that affect the customer experience though? If call up my travel agent and have them book a vacation for me, what's the difference between that and calling TravelGPT and having it book a vacation for me?
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