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Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
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Re: Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
#32I think web browsers should be the exception to Distro's "stable" release rules. Browsers do not work at all like every other package. There are so many security implications, everything is so complex that I really think having whatever is the newest release is actually the most stable strategy. New releases tend to be pretty stable considering how much testing they get everywhere.
Debian regularly dispatches security patches in the form of updates for firefox/chromium. It's the same as running "apt upgrade"
Re: Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
#33Tangentially related, Firefox-from-snap completely broke for me recently in a way that I couldn't be bothered to diagnose ("error: cannot communicate with server: Post http://localhost/v2/snaps/firefox : dial unix /run/snapd.socket: connect: no such file or directory"). It prompted me to finally wipe Snap fully from my system and install Firefox from the Mozilla PPA. The only other Snap app I currently use is Intelli…
Too bad the ppa doesn't seem to work on Debian proper. Yesterday I configured a new laptop with Debian Bookworm but I don't want Firefox ESR, I want the latest stable. Snap sucks, the Flatpak version has some limitations that the real version doesn't, I don't want to run a mixed stable/sid distro and the only 3rd party repository I found was hosted on sourceforge, which I just plain don't trust. So it's 2023 and I'm…
Meanwhile on Arch: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/firefox-nightly-bin
So much easier than faffing about with six bazillion dh-whatever scripts.
Re: Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
#34I've been using Firefox Nightly as my primary web browser at work for many years and have never encountered a problem except it annoys me with updating too often. I can see no difference from regular Firefox except Nightly supports more things.
Those nags can be moderated or turned off by about:config flags or policy.json lines, I forget which at the moment. They used to drive me insane as well.
Re: Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everything is mainly just my own handcrafted Javascript. There is only one wasm module included so far (binjgb) to allow for the playing of gameboy games. I've previously tried to implement all of those sorts of POSIX-isms, but I've recently been wanting to make the tradeoff where code simplicity and understandability trumps all other considerations. Then, when others start coming on board the project, we can start m…
Sorry but what I think you've done is just emulating a shell, not an actual Linux system. For that, you need to emulate some architecture that Linux supports, like x86/RISC-V/ARM. With that you should be able to boot a real Linux kernel. One guy even made a RISC-V emulator inside VRChat using a shader[1]. Doing it in JavaScript will probably be easier, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone has done that already. Unt…
Well, there is technically no such thing as an "actual Linux system." There are mainly GNU/Linux systems. If one is using the word "Linux" from a high-level systems theoretical perspective, the they are speaking about a certain philosophy related to how they approach the question of performing general computations. So, it is from the "Unix philosophical" point of view that I use the word "Linux." This also seems to be the generally accepted way of using that word, because most people use it as a shorthand for something with much more cultural significance (i.e. the open source alternative to the Windows or Mac ecosystems) than the kinds of technical facts to which you are referring.
Re: Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
#36I think web browsers should be the exception to Distro's "stable" release rules. Browsers do not work at all like every other package. There are so many security implications, everything is so complex that I really think having whatever is the newest release is actually the most stable strategy. New releases tend to be pretty stable considering how much testing they get everywhere.
They are. Debian provides latest major release of Chromium, just a week or so behind. For Firefox it uses the LTS releases, but still with major LTS release updates in the same Debian Stable release, when the older LTS is no longer supported.
Re: Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
#37I use the "long-term support" version of any software whenever possible. On Debian, that's the firefox-esr package. I suppose I'm at the age where I no longer desire the bleeding edge.
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Re: Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
#38Ahh... my two favorite tech-related subject matters: Linux distros and the politics of browser choice. I'm currently trying to invert this entire discussion by putting a well-oiled Linux distro inside of the browser [1]. [1] For whoever doubts that a proper Linux distro can be created through pure Javascript running in a browser, you obviously haven't tried out https://linuxontheweb.github.io/ yet!
I don't know that anybody doubts this, but until you can run a browser as a UEFI boot option, you've just created a third layer of choice without doing anything to solve the first two.
Re: Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
#39I think web browsers should be the exception to Distro's "stable" release rules. Browsers do not work at all like every other package. There are so many security implications, everything is so complex that I really think having whatever is the newest release is actually the most stable strategy. New releases tend to be pretty stable considering how much testing they get everywhere.
They are. Debian provides latest major release of Chromium, just a week or so behind. For Firefox it uses the LTS releases, but still with major LTS release updates in the same Debian Stable release, when the older LTS is no longer supported.
I just want to clarify that the week delay is for non-security-relevant updates (which is why it’s important for vendors to always be open about when they patch privately disclosed zero days).
Re: Mozilla treats Debian devotees to the raw taste of Firefox Nightly
#40The author is an untrustworthy Ubuntu astroturfer who picks fights and insults his critics on the platform he publishes the paid articles he writes.