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Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Post by makeitdouble »

Waterluvian wrote: post #9
0x500x79 wrote: post #7

I think that this is a response to the rising usage of the Cronus and/or other controller modification tools that give players advantages (cheats). For example one of these "Mods" for Cronus state that they are: a dynamic, fully-automated Anti-Recoil system that transforms your in-game character into a laser-guided juggernaut we've affectionately dubbed as [BEAM] Battling cheaters in video games is a never-ending cha…

Heuristics that identify inhuman inputs.

Heuristics in competitive games will always bring their own sets of issues.

As it's an arms race, controller tweaks will adjust to be at the borderline of what the system detects, and on the other hand the 0.001% of the most dedicated players that actually beat that borderline will get pushined with a mere "no human can be that good" response, which is the worse outcome when the game's whole point _is_ to be that good.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Post by throwaway49594 »

This has the added bonus of blocking non disposable controllers that use hall effect sensors that don't suffer from stick drift.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/18/23799149/gamesir-g7-se-xb...

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/How+to+Fix+Xbox+One+Wireless+Co...

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Post by pierat »

Again, this should not be news.

These "game platforms" (read: desktops whom are sold but never convey ownership), assume anti-enduder at every step of the way.

It was surprising MS allowed 3rs party anything at all.

This is why we need strong purchase-owner regulations. Cause this shit is a rental at best. Who controls it? The owner (read: Microsoft).

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Post by __float »

throwaway49594 wrote: post #33

This has the added bonus of blocking non disposable controllers that use hall effect sensors that don't suffer from stick drift. https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/18/23799149/gamesir-g7-se-xb... https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/How+to+Fix+Xbox+One+Wireless+Co...

This controller is labeled "licensed". How do you know it will be blocked by this policy?

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Post by orf »

kibwen wrote: post #27
harry8 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've gone into every xbox owner's house and destroyed their property with prejudice. 3rd party controllers, all of them, including all never used to cheat become non-functional and worthless. At that point I don't give a flying fig what excuse they are using. Neither should the law when it comes to wanton destruction of property. Property rights are a thing!

If you don't have power over the software running on the hardware, it ain't your hardware. Force the consoles to be open and give power back to the users.

It’s always fun to see that viewpoint run face-first into real life, as it inevitably and immediately devolves into a cesspool of cheating that either drives everyone off the platform or loops back around to being forced to run anti-cheat software you don’t have power over.

These vapid comments about freedom And abstract notions of ownership always strike me as naively and comically libertarian

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Post by VincentEvans »

donatj wrote: post #28
0x500x79 wrote: post #7

I think that this is a response to the rising usage of the Cronus and/or other controller modification tools that give players advantages (cheats). For example one of these "Mods" for Cronus state that they are: a dynamic, fully-automated Anti-Recoil system that transforms your in-game character into a laser-guided juggernaut we've affectionately dubbed as [BEAM] Battling cheaters in video games is a never-ending cha…

I don't think this is even going to stop the Cronus. The Cronus already requires an OEM controller plugged into it to authenticate. If it does, a Cronus firmware update will probably figure out a way around it as it has an OEM device to work with. For what it's worth, I own a Cronus and it's not nearly as much of an advantage as they sell it as. I bought it just to use as a fightstick adapter and it's kind of mediocr…

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Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Post by throwaway49594 »

__float wrote: post #35
throwaway49594 wrote: post #33

This has the added bonus of blocking non disposable controllers that use hall effect sensors that don't suffer from stick drift. https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/18/23799149/gamesir-g7-se-xb... https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/How+to+Fix+Xbox+One+Wireless+Co...

This controller is labeled "licensed". How do you know it will be blocked by this policy?

In the same way that Nvidia is going with it's 'founders edition', slowly squeeze out 'partner's.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Post by ThatPlayer »

0x500x79 wrote: post #24
soraminazuki wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a convenient metric. Or rather, the lack of it. My common sense tells me there are significantly more people using third party controllers than there are cheaters, though.

I think the metric is blocked controllers, which is a small subset of 3rd party controllers. So far the most common people complaining about this change is cronus and xim users not legit players. Most 3rd party controllers that are being sold online are still compatible afaict.

I don't think it has affected xim or cronus at all. They use official first party Xbox controllers to handle authentication, and MITM them to inject inputs.

Instead the big one affected has been Brooks, who make very popular boards for custom fighting game controllers.

https://www.brookaccessory.com/support/xbox-Issue-update.php

https://twitter.com/maximilian_/status/1718811336493482448

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Post by [deleted] »

__float wrote: post #35
throwaway49594 wrote: post #33

This has the added bonus of blocking non disposable controllers that use hall effect sensors that don't suffer from stick drift. https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/18/23799149/gamesir-g7-se-xb... https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/How+to+Fix+Xbox+One+Wireless+Co...

This controller is labeled "licensed". How do you know it will be blocked by this policy?

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