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Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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> You can take a guess about the country in question. For the curious, it appears to have been done by people in Russia (state-sponsored or not is unclear)

It would be ridiculous for a state to sponsor a toy OS. I think it's absurd.

ReactOS?

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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How does that make sense? That has always been and will always be possible with any open source project. Should every other project go closed source too just because Russia can fork it and say "I made this"?

It makes sense that the fact you are making a big deal of it while you didn’t get to say anything about apple macos since it was never open source in the first place.

MacOS and MenuetOS aren't equivalent, not even up to isomorphism.

Menuet is far from being a practical OS. It's a very interesting proof of concept/research project, but its usefulness evaporates almost completely without the source.

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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"Since at least 2005" is not a wrong answer. It's imprecise, but perfectly accurate. And since there is no oracle of absolute truth to consult, it's not like it's wrong to seek out empirical answers like this, it's just one fairly general approach to find a new upper bound. Of course, in this case there is a better answer, but still, there's nothing weird or wrong about the approach.

I mean.. it took more work and produced a sub-optimal answer?

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Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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It is weird to anyone who didn't grow up being told to not cite Wikipedia as a source of information in any authoritative capacity, being told to instead dig for and cite the original source instead which a tool like Internet Archive is useful for. Culture shock stemming from a generation gap, I guess. (Obviously this distinction is not important for most comments here on Hacker News which are just written in passing…

Wikipedia may not be a citable source itself, but it can still be a good place to find links to other sources more reputable.

Major life hack. You may not be allowed to cite Wikipedia, but there's nothing stopping you from using wikipedias citations.

Also the whole "don't use Wikipedia" thing is idiotic. There's a bunch of tech illiterate teachers who think Wikipedia is full of misinformation, and impress that view on students. So lots of people think Wikipedia is useless, while in reality it's a fantastic source of information and you can easily find the sources of that information.

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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I wonder if using this makes the most sense from a "security by obscurity" standpoint. It doesn't seem likely that blackhats would spend a lot of time hacking into such a marginally used OS.

there are better fringe OS:es if you care about security.

QubesOS for example

https://www.qubes-os.org/

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Since at least 2005" is not a wrong answer. It's imprecise, but perfectly accurate. And since there is no oracle of absolute truth to consult, it's not like it's wrong to seek out empirical answers like this, it's just one fairly general approach to find a new upper bound. Of course, in this case there is a better answer, but still, there's nothing weird or wrong about the approach.

I mean.. it took more work and produced a sub-optimal answer?

More effort has been made to argue that it's a bad approach than the actual effort it takes to go to archive.org, enter a URL, and see the first capture date. That all to say, it's not any appreciable amount of effort. It's really at worst a similar amount of effort to searching Wikipedia for an answer.

Re: MenuetOS: An entire operating system in x86_64 assembly

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Is there any examples of practical uses of this OS or is this more of a passion project?

Check under "screenshots".

Could be just the vehicle someone needed to get into x86 coding on bare metal.

And serves as a nice counterpoint for "optimizing compilers outperform skilled assembly coders". Regardless of whether that's true or not.

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