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Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

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Post by richiebful1 »

jvanderbot wrote: post #9
esjeon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess until all autonomous vehicles are fully equipped with real sensors (likely both lidar and radar) so that cars can almost-mechanically stop before foreseeable collisions without worrying about AI hiccups. This is technically possible even now, but it's way too expensive for now.

Unless a lot of money is paid out in campaign contributions, I suspect you're right. I'm worried about a time when the _statistical_ safety of AI driving is better than humans across the board, but there are horrifying correlations between AI induced accidents, like "Children on tricycles are not well recognized" or "slight fog in Seattle induces 150 car pileup". Or, AI causes worse accidents less frequently than hum…

Given how autonomous vehicles drive today (cautiously, within the speed limit), I feel pretty good about autonomous vehicles easily beating out humans on highway driving. I'd love to see a highway-oriented true full self driving mode developed, and I'd probably pay an additional ~10-20k to get it

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#32

Post by zwily »

uoaei wrote: post #21

I saw a Tesla driving down I-5 yesterday and the person in the driver's seat was wearing headphones and holding their phone in a way that made it seem like they were playing video games (landscape mode, both thumbs hovering). In the passing lane. Barely doing the speed limit. Simply unacceptable on this highway where the right lane typically travels 0-5mph below the speed limit and the left lane travels 5-15mph over.…

Autopilot doesn't, but FSD will change lanes to go better with the flow of traffic. (And does a semi-decent job at it, in my experience.)

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#33

Post by timthelion »

brandonagr2 wrote: post #10
esjeon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess until all autonomous vehicles are fully equipped with real sensors (likely both lidar and radar) so that cars can almost-mechanically stop before foreseeable collisions without worrying about AI hiccups. This is technically possible even now, but it's way too expensive for now.

Why should lidar be a requirement when that's not a requirement for humans to be able to drive? The goal is to reduce traffic fatalities, humans are not reliable, if you say we can't have automation until its 100% perfect, then you are actively choosing to have more traffic fatalities.

This is a bad argument because humans use two eyes that move constantly in unison, have massively higher dynamic range than any digital camera, and can accurately measure distance in a fraction of a second by changing their focus distance. A web cam really can't replace human sight, if it was two very high speed camersa that moved like human eyes than your argument would stand, but it is not!

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#34

Post by henvic »

zardo wrote: post #6

Don't you have to defeat a safety interlock to allow hands off the wheel driving in a Tesla?

I think it "depends on the market".

My Tesla Model Y 2023 in the Netherlands complains a lot if I take my hands off the steering wheel. Heck, it even complains sometimes when my hands are in the steering wheel!

However, I rented a Model 3 in California through Hertz past month and it was much more lenient. I imagine I had to take my hands off for a period of time at least 5 times longer for it to start bothering, and didn't bother at all when I was driving with my hands steadily placed on the steering wheel.

In my opinion the one in California made long drives a bit safer as you don't have the pressure of putting the right pressure (pun intended) as much.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#35

Post by toyg »

richiebful1 wrote: post #31
jvanderbot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless a lot of money is paid out in campaign contributions, I suspect you're right. I'm worried about a time when the _statistical_ safety of AI driving is better than humans across the board, but there are horrifying correlations between AI induced accidents, like "Children on tricycles are not well recognized" or "slight fog in Seattle induces 150 car pileup". Or, AI causes worse accidents less frequently than hum…

Given how autonomous vehicles drive today (cautiously, within the speed limit), I feel pretty good about autonomous vehicles easily beating out humans on highway driving. I'd love to see a highway-oriented true full self driving mode developed, and I'd probably pay an additional ~10-20k to get it

Highways/motorways should be the perfect ground for "self-driving trains" of cars: self-regulating convoys of vehicles going at similar speeds between exits, "attached" at safe distances. It would dramatically reduce stress and fatigue (and hence accidents) among professional drivers and other heavy users. Particularly in the US, it's an absolute no-brainer. The problem is finding who will pay for the necessary infrastructure.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

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Post by nimbius »

whatever autopilot is, its definitely some wild energy. the number of times ive seen a tesla try to zipper merge onto the interstate whilst some do-nothing behind the wheel scrolls instagram is just terrifying. wobbling between lanes like a drunk, pumping the brakes like a madman until finally some poor landscaping truck takes pity on them and just lets them slowly drift into traffic like a plastic bag.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

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Post by jvanderbot »

toyg wrote: post #35
richiebful1 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how autonomous vehicles drive today (cautiously, within the speed limit), I feel pretty good about autonomous vehicles easily beating out humans on highway driving. I'd love to see a highway-oriented true full self driving mode developed, and I'd probably pay an additional ~10-20k to get it

Highways/motorways should be the perfect ground for "self-driving trains" of cars: self-regulating convoys of vehicles going at similar speeds between exits, "attached" at safe distances. It would dramatically reduce stress and fatigue (and hence accidents) among professional drivers and other heavy users. Particularly in the US, it's an absolute no-brainer. The problem is finding who will pay for the necessary infra…

Highway self driving is already here. Any new car has lane-keeping and adaptive cruise control. That's all you need. For fair weather anyway.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

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Post by foobarian »

watwut wrote: post #26
gdubs wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you never used your legs to kind of hold the wheel or even steer in a car when you've taken your hands off for a moment? That's what I'm going to guess was going on here.

Genuinely, I have never ever done that. I am driving for over 20 years.

How else can you eat while you commute?

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

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Post by smegger001 »

vinni2 wrote: post #11

What about all these porn stars who have sex while driving Tesla. They should definitely be guilty of dangerous driving. edit: link to the article about it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7015229/Elon-Musk-r...

I perhaps naïvely, assum the car they are in is actually being towed while they fuck in the drivers seat otherwise it seems insane what if they were to bump the wheel and drive into a jersey barrier.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

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Post by tenpies »

gwbas1c wrote: post #19
vinni2 wrote: post #11

What about all these porn stars who have sex while driving Tesla. They should definitely be guilty of dangerous driving. edit: link to the article about it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7015229/Elon-Musk-r...

I haven't seen any of the videos. I'd assume that there's some creative use of a camera to give the illusion that no one is behind the wheel. After all, in the the "two girls one cup" video the girls eat chocolate ice cream. There was a camera cut between filling the cone (with something that is not ice cream) and the girls eating from the cone. It's clear that in the cut when the girls are eating from the cone, the…

> There was a camera cut between filling the cone

Somewhere on the internet, someone is now fact checking this claim.

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