Haven't blade computers been doing this for a while?
The Cloud Computer
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#32But there's no pricing! How will I know if this could potentially save me money compared to AWS if I cannot make a sensible comparison until I contact sales (or probably after I contact sales).
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#33I always thought it's just about the hardware but it seems like it also includes it's own kind of virtualization / provisioning interface for VMs, firewalls and also an overview over running software. Does this "lock" you into the Oxide platform and you just buy into the whole thing instead of buying some server from Dell, then running some Proxmox like software and a Docker host?
You run VMs on their platform, so it doesn't lock you in more than any cloud host locks you into their provisioning interface.
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#34I'm a bit confused about them calling it a cloud computer. The primary benefit of cloud is you spend opex instead of capex. Isn't this moving back to capex again?
Private cloud is a thing too: lots of folks run VMware, Hyper-V, or OpenStack in-house.
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#35I really wish oxide had a Homelab/consumer centric offering! Spec wise, some low power systems like an Intel NUC, LattePanda Sigma, or Zimaboard. You could fit 3/4 of them in a single 1u with a shared power supply. They could even offer a full 1u with desktop grade chips on the same sleds. I have thought about building one myself, but it's a large investment of time that I can't seem to find lately.
Even just a medium business offering would be great. I'd love to not have to use Dell or HP gear-- anything to get away from the cobbled-together stack of legacy IBM PC compatibility and third-party ODM/OEM stuff glue-and-taped together by the vendor.
I am missing how AWS/GCP/Azure does not solve this for you.
Price point?
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#36But there's no pricing! How will I know if this could potentially save me money compared to AWS if I cannot make a sensible comparison until I contact sales (or probably after I contact sales).
To be fair, if you’re in the market for a system like this, you’re probably not paying rack rate for AWS or Azure, either.
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#37Haven't blade computers been doing this for a while?
Sort of. The big deal with Oxide is that all the legacy compatibility with the IBM PC platform is gone, and the whole stack, top-to-bottom, is built by then (including firmware).
It's not like commodity x86 gear with black-box (often buggy) firmware and layer-upon-layer of hacks and compatibility kludges to present the hardware interface of a late model IBM PC AT.
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#38This is actually a pretty big deal. They sell servers, but as a finished product. Not as a cobbled together mess of third party stuff where the vendor keeps shrugging if there is an integration problem. They integrated it. It comes with all the features they expect you to want if you wanted to build your own cloud. Also, they wrote the software. And it's all open source. So no "sorry but the third party vendor droppe…
100%.
I’m actually extremely impressed. I want one. I haven’t worked in a data center in years, but I’d be tempted to do it again just to get my hands on one.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even just a medium business offering would be great. I'd love to not have to use Dell or HP gear-- anything to get away from the cobbled-together stack of legacy IBM PC compatibility and third-party ODM/OEM stuff glue-and-taped together by the vendor.
I am missing how AWS/GCP/Azure does not solve this for you. Price point?
On prem. Reliable and inexpensive network connectivity they has any resemblance to a 10G LAN doesn't exist where I am.
I work with some businesses who need very, very reliable, high-bandwidth, and low latency connectivity to their data. The amortized cost of on-prem beats the cost of any off-prem offering as soon as the cost of the necessary connectivity is factoted-in.
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#40Sorry, but this is quite a bunch of b... IMHO.
Let's start with their beliefs: 1. Cloud computing is the future of all computing infrastructure.
Yeah, no. There's still gonna be things like mobile phones which will do some stuff locally. And probably also desktops. And probably also on-prem servers.
Which brings us to their belief no. 2: The computer that runs the cloud should be able to be purchased and not merely rented.
If you buy a computer and run virtualized loads on it, then you're not doing cloud computing. As simple as that.
Basically, as others have commented already, this is just something like a blade server system or a hyperconverged system like for example Nutanix is offering. The only real difference seems to be the open source approach.