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Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by datameta »

raffraffraff wrote: post #30
datameta wrote: post #4

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You're suggesting we killed them off? Source?

You won't find documented evidence for all of the species we've killed off, but that doesn't mean we haven't been doing it since prehistoric times. Within living memory (and just outside of it) humans have made many species extinct simply for fun . Buffalo had an extremely narrow escape. We've killed off species by not managing their numbers. We've killed off yet more because we saw them as pests. We've also killed o…

If you were to scroll down just a bit you would see my comment showing I am fully aware of anthropogenic biosphere changes. I asked for a source out of curiosity, not to set up a trap of some sort.

Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by datameta »

acestus5 wrote: post #28
datameta wrote: post #4

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You're suggesting we killed them off? Source?

Yes we killed orcas like they were pests, with machine guns and depth charges. We did it for food and fishnets. https://www.sciencenews.org/archive/naval-war-declared-again...

I see, that makes sense. Perhaps primed by the article talking about interspecies cooperation I didn't imagine they would not only compete for food but steal it.

Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by jimmux »

acestus5 wrote: post #28
datameta wrote: post #4

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You're suggesting we killed them off? Source?

Yes we killed orcas like they were pests, with machine guns and depth charges. We did it for food and fishnets. https://www.sciencenews.org/archive/naval-war-declared-again...

I don't believe that's the case for the orcas in the article. I used to live in Eden, and they have a legendary reputation there, going back well into pre-colonial history. Killing them would be sacrilege. That's not to say that some weren't killed, but not on that scale.

Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by 3seashells »

cgriswald wrote: post #19
3seashells wrote: post #16

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Can we stop this childish games, please? Wherever humanity appears large mammals and birds dissappeared, either directly or indirectly. In this case by predation ofthe food source. And this whole "what extinction, by what humans" is the "what Armenians" of developmental history of our species. The whole rhetoric device is just so boring, the dialog tree looped. It's just a sound of denial now, not really worth engagi…

We, collectively, are probably best served when asking questions doesn't result in an unrelated harangue. In this case, the poster is asking about the claim that the orcas were hunted to be consumed by humans. You didn't provide any evidence that this is the case---and in fact suggested a reasonable alternative---so I suspect you also either question or deny that claim as well. I think you've fallen into a trap. You'…

As in every open source forum were people "demand" code, games and features-and where no effort was made to show a effort was made :"Linklist of reading up is welcome!"

Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by Paianni »

wolverine876 wrote: post #29
Paianni wrote: post #23

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We don't know how to remove the incentives to wreck ecosystems.

Again, people love to spread despair! In fact, without much thought probably all of us can remember many examples of doing exactly that. (And even if we had never done it, that is not a barrier.) The only thing we have to fear is despair. We are wealthy, young, capable and powerful; we can accomplish enormous things. No wonder the status quo loves to spread despair - they have no other defense: Imagine if people left…

As if it were that simple.

Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by wolverine876 »

Paianni wrote: post #35
wolverine876 wrote: post #29

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Again, people love to spread despair! In fact, without much thought probably all of us can remember many examples of doing exactly that. (And even if we had never done it, that is not a barrier.) The only thing we have to fear is despair. We are wealthy, young, capable and powerful; we can accomplish enormous things. No wonder the status quo loves to spread despair - they have no other defense: Imagine if people left…

As if it were that simple.

Just look at what you are saying - more despair! :) So many people have made themselves into advocates of despair.

Yes, the concept is that simple, and the action needed by you and me is that simple. Just forget all the doubts and just get to work!

(I don't mean to berate you with the exclamation points. I'm excited by the possibilities. LFG! :) )

If you want to grasp how that could happen, it's just people following social norms. The norm is despair: if you are in a meeting and everyone says such-and-such is hopeless, raising your hand and saying otherwise is not only socially hard but a bit transgressive. My hypothesis is that the status quo powers political messaging has pushed despair - after all, what else will preserve the senseless, unpopular status quo (look at climate change!)? It's the only defense they have.

Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by Paianni »

wolverine876 wrote: post #36
Paianni wrote: post #35

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As if it were that simple.

Just look at what you are saying - more despair! :) So many people have made themselves into advocates of despair. Yes, the concept is that simple, and the action needed by you and me is that simple. Just forget all the doubts and just get to work! (I don't mean to berate you with the exclamation points. I'm excited by the possibilities. LFG! :) ) If you want to grasp how that could happen, it's just people following…

Do you have anything of value to say other than 'don't spread despair'?

Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by wolverine876 »

Paianni wrote: post #37
wolverine876 wrote: post #36

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Just look at what you are saying - more despair! :) So many people have made themselves into advocates of despair. Yes, the concept is that simple, and the action needed by you and me is that simple. Just forget all the doubts and just get to work! (I don't mean to berate you with the exclamation points. I'm excited by the possibilities. LFG! :) ) If you want to grasp how that could happen, it's just people following…

Do you have anything of value to say other than 'don't spread despair'?

Can you see it yet? Have a great day.

Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by monkeycantype »

jimmux wrote: post #33
acestus5 wrote: post #28

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Yes we killed orcas like they were pests, with machine guns and depth charges. We did it for food and fishnets. https://www.sciencenews.org/archive/naval-war-declared-again...

I don't believe that's the case for the orcas in the article. I used to live in Eden, and they have a legendary reputation there, going back well into pre-colonial history. Killing them would be sacrilege. That's not to say that some weren't killed, but not on that scale.

I read that the eden whales were hunted by a Norwegian ship during ww2

Re: Orcas that hunted alongside humans might be extinct

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Post by cgriswald »

3seashells wrote: post #34
cgriswald wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We, collectively, are probably best served when asking questions doesn't result in an unrelated harangue. In this case, the poster is asking about the claim that the orcas were hunted to be consumed by humans. You didn't provide any evidence that this is the case---and in fact suggested a reasonable alternative---so I suspect you also either question or deny that claim as well. I think you've fallen into a trap. You'…

As in every open source forum were people "demand" code, games and features-and where no effort was made to show a effort was made :"Linklist of reading up is welcome!"

I didn't object to the knowledge you shared. I objected to your gross mischaracterization of the person's question and ignorance of the context in which it was asked.
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