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FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by criddell »

malfist wrote: post #13
pyuser583 wrote: post #11

Did any of the bad effects of not having net neutrality actually occur when it was gone? Did ISPs throttle competition? I haven’t seen any reports of this happening. I haven’t seen any studies showing this happening systematically. I’m woefully uninformed, so I really would like to hear more about this. What has been happening these past few years?

Did you upgrade your cell phone plan so you could have 1080p video on YouTube? That's an example of non-neutral net

I'm on TMobile in part because I got a free Netflix and MLB.tv. Is that an example?

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by l33t7332273 »

calgarymicro wrote: post #24
pyuser583 wrote: post #11

Did any of the bad effects of not having net neutrality actually occur when it was gone? Did ISPs throttle competition? I haven’t seen any reports of this happening. I haven’t seen any studies showing this happening systematically. I’m woefully uninformed, so I really would like to hear more about this. What has been happening these past few years?

Worth noting that California's net neutrality law[0] probably stymied most efforts by ISPs to start prioritizing traffic nationwide. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Internet_Consumer_P...

I thought the internet was purely a federal law domain.

It looks like this law was challenged on those grounds, but the challenge lasted until after Biden was elected and the suit dropped.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by subtra3t »

falcolas wrote: post #18
pyuser583 wrote: post #11

Did any of the bad effects of not having net neutrality actually occur when it was gone? Did ISPs throttle competition? I haven’t seen any reports of this happening. I haven’t seen any studies showing this happening systematically. I’m woefully uninformed, so I really would like to hear more about this. What has been happening these past few years?

There have been many reports of ISPs overwriting ads and adding content to non-https content. Also bundled content on mobile providers not counting against caps, etc. Many also lie on speedtests, though I don't know if that counts.

Iirc they also limited data speed on netflix and other ott platforms, no?

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by ericmay »

criddell wrote: post #31
malfist wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you upgrade your cell phone plan so you could have 1080p video on YouTube? That's an example of non-neutral net

I'm on TMobile in part because I got a free Netflix and MLB.tv. Is that an example?

Yea that's probably an example - those companies get preferential treatment on the network w.r.t traffic and so competitors have a harder time entering the market.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by ericmay »

pyuser583 wrote: post #11

Did any of the bad effects of not having net neutrality actually occur when it was gone? Did ISPs throttle competition? I haven’t seen any reports of this happening. I haven’t seen any studies showing this happening systematically. I’m woefully uninformed, so I really would like to hear more about this. What has been happening these past few years?

If nothing has happened then it's a good reason to make sure it stays that way - the law won't have an effect either way right? ;)

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by l33t7332273 »

criddell wrote: post #31
malfist wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you upgrade your cell phone plan so you could have 1080p video on YouTube? That's an example of non-neutral net

I'm on TMobile in part because I got a free Netflix and MLB.tv. Is that an example?

I don’t think bundling other paid services counts. It’s only if the ISP treats the traffic to/from those paid services differently that you run afoul of net neutrality.

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Post by hn8305823 »

98codes wrote: post #8

> Title II regulation isn't just about net neutrality, Rosenworcel said, arguing that the reclassification will give the FCC more authority to protect national security on broadband networks. "When we stripped state-affiliated companies from China of their authority to operate in the United States, that action did not extend to broadband services, thanks to the retreat from Title II. This is a national security looph…

There was at least one major (non-residential) ISP that used Huawei routers in a lot of places. Due to the previous law/rulings they were required to replace all of them with non-prohibited vendors.

The quoted segment sounds like they want to extend that to residential ISP's which makes sense to me. Using network hardware from an adversary nation is very risky. Especially when it's China which has an extensive record of state involvement in it's tech companies.

Fortunately there is no indication yet that regulators in the US want to get involved with routing, or anything resembling a great firewall. The closest thing to that right now is "age verification to visit porn sites" laws that some states have enacted.

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Post by smegger001 »

404mm wrote: post #22
edmundsauto wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do they lie on speed tests? I thought that measured actual data throughput.

I assume they can prioritize speed test traffic. The Volkswagen method.

I have had my internet dragging to crawl open speed rest and suddenly all of my tabs finish loading and have decent speed for the next 30 minutes just to slow down again. I am considering making a cron job to run wget to load speedtest home page every 20minutes

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by talent_deprived »

malfist wrote: post #13
pyuser583 wrote: post #11

Did any of the bad effects of not having net neutrality actually occur when it was gone? Did ISPs throttle competition? I haven’t seen any reports of this happening. I haven’t seen any studies showing this happening systematically. I’m woefully uninformed, so I really would like to hear more about this. What has been happening these past few years?

Did you upgrade your cell phone plan so you could have 1080p video on YouTube? That's an example of non-neutral net

Did you ever want to fly first class versus coach?

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Post by swashboon »

edmundsauto wrote: post #21
falcolas wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been many reports of ISPs overwriting ads and adding content to non-https content. Also bundled content on mobile providers not counting against caps, etc. Many also lie on speedtests, though I don't know if that counts.

How do they lie on speed tests? I thought that measured actual data throughput.

This was why Netflix setup Fast.com to use production servers and use data loads that mimic actual streaming video. Early on in streaming ISPs were throttling Netflix traffic when the household streaming demands started spiking (around 6 at night when every house in America would get home and turn on some streams). I believe there was a whole fight over peering agreements related to that... Speedtest.net was definitely getting gamed and may still be or at least Comcast et al was prioritizing burst traffic because residential customers realized the 'up to' home internet service could be pretty bad if your cable lines was over subscribed.
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