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The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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We live in strange times. Those working to keep chemical cheating away from honest sport competition are the ones called corrupt.

The Olympic Games Committee is corrupt to the core. That's what the website is referring to, though I agree it's a bit inconsequential as an argument against their anti-doping policies.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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This is very transparently a gross, cruel attempt to parody and belittle trans people, as is made clear by the people involved and the language:

“7 Tips on How To Come Out as Enhanced”

And the “believe the science” and “colonialist” bits are very much a conservative-doing-an-impression-of-a-liberal thing.

There’s worse if you read through their mission pages. I’m taken aback by the level of effort, honestly. It really astounds me how much money and effort there is behind ostracizing already marginalized people. It’s disgusting.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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Not sure if serious or satire. But anyway, moral and legal issues aside this will never achieve mainstream success. Major sponsors and advertisers won't want to be associated with it due to the negative impact on their brand images. And modern sports only works as a business with that financial support. Can you imagine Adidas or Toyota putting their logo on this shitshow?

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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Why is the website so.. propaganda-ey?

It sounds like they're casting atheletes who willingly take banned substances as a persecuted minority group that we need to stand united for, on par with the fight for LGBT rights or something. It's all super-defensive, like it was started by a few atheletes that got caught. The section called "Science is Real" tries to cast anti-doping as anti-science.

Watch one of those documentaries on Lance Armstrong. Getting blood transfusions in the back of a van doesn't look fun.

But I'm all for it. Why stop at substances? Use CRISPR to give a swimmer some webbed-feet.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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This seems hypocritical to me. I kind of get it as a way to level the playing field in one sense (though not, I expect, in many other senses). But their "inclusive language" guide is not internally consistent, and in fact breaks down in the first two paragraphs: It kicks off saying "Being enhanced isn’t a preference or a lifestyle choice." - but it immediately proceeds to contradict that by emphasising choice: "When…

I am also skeptical it will "level" the playing field - at best it seems like it will "extend" it? Now athletic ability is the aggregate of natural ability and the ability to select & use drugs - but the genetic predispositions around these new areas won't be evenly distributed either! In addition it makes the gulf created by money even wider.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

#37

This is very transparently a gross, cruel attempt to parody and belittle trans people, as is made clear by the people involved and the language: “7 Tips on How To Come Out as Enhanced” And the “believe the science” and “colonialist” bits are very much a conservative-doing-an-impression-of-a-liberal thing. There’s worse if you read through their mission pages. I’m taken aback by the level of effort, honestly. It reall…

I know you got down-voted, but the whole website is definitely fishy. At first I was expecting it to be a campaign for selling "enhanced" supplements, but a high-effort satire to say "well, see how rediculous it is to let trans people compete in sports???" is plausible, sadly.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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When atheles start collapsing of heart-failure on the track, then what?

They lose the race and people will take that into account and try not to reproduce those results. It would balance out over time. There'd always be more than other sports, but sports doing bad things to their participants isn't unique. People are completely fine with the brain damage caused by sports like (US) football or boxing for example.

> People are completely fine with the brain damage caused by sports like (US) football

This is totally untrue.

Football is currently in decline, with the greatest drop in youth participation[1]. A major factor seems to be the NFL's inability to keep the stories of brain damage quiet. These things take time but I think there's a good chance the brain damage is going to kill football as a popular sport.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2020/01/28/the-decl...

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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post #4

This website ignores the big problem with enhancement medication: the health of participants. A future where there is an incentive to juice up athletes as much as possible is a recipe for disaster.

Wikipedia has a list of premature professional wrestlers deaths, look for the ones that died of heart attack before 50: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_premature_professional... - the roid era really did a number, though of course, working through pain and injury with the help of pain killers and other drugs didn't help either.

Oh man, this is such a sobering read. There are a lot of suicides in those tables :/

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

#40
Pretty sure this is a hoax/satire/anti-trans argument.

So, going to just answer the anti trans piece.

There is no trans athletes dominating sport. Even us talking about it is because conservatives want to use it as a wedge issue.

For the mathematically inclined, slightly under 1% of the population are trans. When we see more than 1% of winners of athletic competitions being trans then we can talk about a problem. At the moment there just aren’t any trans athletes as the best in the world in their sport so it just isn’t an issue.

I honestly think unless you are trans yourself you really should not have an opinion about trans people.

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