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Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by petsfed »

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

This sort of underscores the weakness of RPi as a complete computer:

A complete computer is at least somewhat hardened against ESD and what not, has onboard storage of some description, and isn't severely throttled from a power standpoint.

I like RPis and similar for rapid prototyping if I know I need GPIO control, but if you don't, there are better machines out there, at similar price points.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

coffeeri wrote: post #24
auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

I've also compared many 1L PCs from a performance/price/power consumption perspective. I decided on the HP prodesk/ elitedesk 400/800 G5 with the i5-9500T. It idles at ~2-3W and has considerably more computing and storage than these embedded solutions. I only see something like a raspberry pi be handy when relying on GPIO ports.

I don't know what you did to get yours idling that low. My 800 i5-9500t idles at 9w. I took out the flex io module & wifi card, and make sure nvme has "spin down" but still nowhere near that low.

I had some Acer chromeboxes that would do 4.5w easy without any tuning or setup, and they used pretty low end dyal-core i3's from just barely before the i5-9500t. Generally I don't think servethehome finds many tiny mini-pcs below 7w.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by synack »

LispSporks22 wrote: post #22
baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

I like this idea, but what do you do for GPIO (and SPI, I2C etc.)?

Arduino or similar over USB.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by phamilton4 »

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

The more I mess with SBCs the more I lean towards this method. The M720q's or M710q's are two of my favorites. As an added bonus the chargers even work with my lenovo laptop(s).

I wish someone made a rack to hold them vertically. I'd own 10 if I could mount them in a rack like this: https://images.prismic.io/macstadium/949d85ad-18be-4059-acf6...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by ThatPlayer »

jamesy0ung wrote: post #2

They might be good performance wise, but if you watch the Jeff Geerling video he mentions in the post, it will show you how much trouble he has with it. Custom distros with broken repos, non mainlined outdated kernels.

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend one that doesn't have mainline kernels. But Pine64 does good work on getting stuff upstreamed. The RK3399 used in the PinePhone Pro, the Orange Pi 4, Rock 4, and other boards has proper mainline support. I'm also a fan of the open sourced GPU drivers for that SoC done by the panfrost team that has desktop OpenGL support (not just the ES stuff).

Pine64's QuartzPro64 board uses the same RK3588 in the Orange Pi 5 Plus and Rock 5B, and they're working on upstreaming support for that: https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/QuartzPro64_Development#Upstrea...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by Scramblejams »

Pxtl wrote: post #27

The Pi 5 looks neat and I hear it's finally got a power button built-in, which was always the sorest point of the rpi series for me - the fact that it had no good story for safely idling was always absurd. The default configuration was "if you lose power there's a good chance the filesystem will be corrupt". Still, does the new one do better beyond having an off-button? Like does it wake via USB properly? Does it hav…

FWIW once I started deploying my Pis with automotive-grade SD cards bought from Arrow and Canakit 5.1v PSUs, all the stability & integrity issues completely disappeared. Costs a bit more, bringing the price of a setup closer to a used SFF HP or whatever, but it’s super stable.

Whether we should feel bound to go to such lengths is another topic…

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by smarx007 »

jLaForest wrote: post #7
baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

But that mini PC likely has as much as 10x the power draw... They are not interterchangable for lower power use cases

As a reminder, Pi 5 no longer recommends to use the 15W supply recommended for Pi 4 and suggests a 25W one instead.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by notRobot »

chatmasta wrote: post #26

Where do you buy an Orange Pi? When I was researching these devices I found it to be extremely weird/sketchy. These are three different websites all apparently from different companies: - https://orangepi.com/ - https://orangepi.net/ - http://www.orangepi.org (note: https does not work)

First two links are resellers, as mentioned in the footers. But yes, Orange Pis have always been a bit shady.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by ilyt »

arghwhat wrote: post #30
auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

To be fair, you also need to account for consumption when you make the machine do something. The TDPs for these machines are in the 25-35W range, and hitting 50W does not seem unreasonable. You of course won't be running that the entire time. The larger SFF machines with 65W TDPs will go way above that. An orange pi 5 uses 7.5W under full load, 3.3W idle in comparison.

Is orange pi 5 as fast as 35W TDP intel CPU ? How many times slower it is than the 65W one ?

Average consumption matters, not peak. And you can pin CPU to not go on higher frequencies if you don't want to go into inefficient max frequency/max voltage region.

You will also be recycling already produced device.

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