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Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by quasse »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #9
sokoloff wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the half-life in water is less than that in soil: >* From literature studies, glyphosate’s half-life in surface waters and soil ranges from 2 to 91 days and from 2 to 215 days, respectively (Battaglin et al. 2014; Castro Berman et al. 2018). * https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8827352/

An actived carbon filter will remove ~99.9% of Glyphosate from water, if for human consumption. (source water from a ~100ft deep water table next to a large ag plot at a property, have both pre and post filter water tested to validate filtration effectiveness)

Do you measure concerning levels of glyphosate in the pre-filtration water? I've always been curious about this for the sake of my friends who live in rural areas near pesticide dependent farmers.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by baq »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #21
LesZedCB wrote: post #18

it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

people don't spray glyphosate on their lawns. it's a systemic non-specific herbicide that will kill your grass (or any other plant) you might be thinking of dicamba or 2,4d which are much worse for the environment (and probably for you) and target broadleaf plants only (e.g. dandelions) glyphosate is most used for cash crop farming, large quantities sprayed on "roundup ready" corn and soy that has been engineered to…

Also used for dessication (…is that a word…?): https://cropscience.bayer.co.uk/roundup-hub/roundup-use-pre-...

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by hammock »

mvdtnz wrote: post #24

This is not a very convincing connection. All they established is that glyphosate is hanging around in water wells longer than expected. There was no causal connection found, no dose-response, nothing. They didn't even test water sources in regions without the CKDu epidemic to falsify the hypothesis.

>They didn't even test water sources in regions without the CKDu epidemic to falsify the hypothesis

They did... "the researchers found significantly higher levels of the herbicide in 44% of wells within the affected areas versus just 8% of those outside it."

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

Waterluvian wrote: post #28
LesZedCB wrote: post #18

it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

I need a ground cover my kids can play on. Clover is a really nice option. The tragedy is that it spreads like a weed, which means my neighbours must accept my choice or install some ridiculous barriers, harming the existing characteristic of us all using each other’s lawn as a common play area. It would be nice if clover was just kind of the de facto standard.

There's nothing wrong with growing grass mixed with clover. Clover on its own tho won't form a complete groundcover.

There's nothing wrong with having a lawn if you don't live in a drought-prone area. It's a lot less work than anything else people suggest. Just run a mower over it every couple weeks. And just plant with grass seeds adapted for your area, mix with clover, and ignore your stupid neighbours.

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Post by algoatecorn »

imglorp wrote: post #22
candiddevmike wrote: post #2

Glyphosate is being found in US drinking water too: - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5486281/ - https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/environment/risk/... The common message is Glyphosate has a very short (ish) half life in soil. What happens when it enters the water table first?

Linked to Parkinsons and cancer. And it's still for sale next to fertilizer in the home box store so you can spray your yard and poison your family.

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by Waterluvian »

LesZedCB wrote: post #30
lotsofpulp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glyphosate would kill lawns too.

I just searched for "remove weeds from lawn" and while they do admirably suggest manual removal methods first, the last resort measures are indeed chemical herbicides, including specifically glyphosate

FWIW I have a pristine play lawn without any herbicides. The trick I found was to foster growth of really dense, healthy grass. Theres nowhere for weeds to establish so I have to hand-pick a few dozen in a year.

My favourite is this creeping Charlie vine. It’s so satisfying to get an end up and just gently pull like eight feet of it off mine and my neighbour’s lawn.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

baq wrote: post #32
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people don't spray glyphosate on their lawns. it's a systemic non-specific herbicide that will kill your grass (or any other plant) you might be thinking of dicamba or 2,4d which are much worse for the environment (and probably for you) and target broadleaf plants only (e.g. dandelions) glyphosate is most used for cash crop farming, large quantities sprayed on "roundup ready" corn and soy that has been engineered to…

Also used for dessication (…is that a word…?): https://cropscience.bayer.co.uk/roundup-hub/roundup-use-pre-...

Yeah, though there are other contact herbicides that tend to work better for that.

Definitely "mini" or "new" potatoes is where this happens a lot. Kill the plant before full maturity so that the tuber stops growing and accumulates starches, then harvest. The potato farms near me do it, it's kinda gross.

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Post by mandmandam »

whalesalad wrote: post #8

Have y'all seen the movie "Don't Look Up"? It's a reference to the climate crisis but could very well be a reference to industrial agriculture. Then again, the climate crisis is largely rooted in our agricultural industrial complex. It's wild when I see folks defending the use of glyphosate... the movie does a great job demonstrating this sort of predicament. edit: looks like I am already being downvoted. outstanding…

I know we're supposed to all pretend they don't exist and never talk about them, per the site "guidelines", but there is no doubt in my mind that Monsanto / Bayer / Roundup / Glyphosate goons are all over this right now.

They swarm over stories like this. They gaslight and toxify, flag and bait.

They're going to hit this one especially hard, because it's so important.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by Waterluvian »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #34
Waterluvian wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need a ground cover my kids can play on. Clover is a really nice option. The tragedy is that it spreads like a weed, which means my neighbours must accept my choice or install some ridiculous barriers, harming the existing characteristic of us all using each other’s lawn as a common play area. It would be nice if clover was just kind of the de facto standard.

There's nothing wrong with growing grass mixed with clover. Clover on its own tho won't form a complete groundcover. There's nothing wrong with having a lawn if you don't live in a drought-prone area. It's a lot less work than anything else people suggest. Just run a mower over it every couple weeks. And just plant with grass seeds adapted for your area, mix with clover, and ignore your stupid neighbours.

…yeah no. I have wonderful neighbours.

It’s sad that some people don’t.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by adventured »

plussed_reader wrote: post #17

Always nice to see Monsanto making the rounds again, or whatever german multinational actually holding their rotten bag.

The Bayer Corporation owns Monsanto.

The same company that gave us fluoroquinolones such as Cipro, one of the more vile groups of drugs ever mass prescribed to people.

Before that they helped the Nazis perform experiments on prisoners, among other things. Their history is particularly shocking. It makes sense that such an evil corporation would want Monsanto. We're probably lucky they're not directly dumping Roundup into the water supply. [0][1]

[0] "Bayer was particularly active in Auschwitz. A senior Bayer official oversaw the chemical factory in Auschwitz III (Monowitz). Most of the experiments were conducted in Birkenau in Block 20, the women's camp hospital. There, Vetter and Auschwitz physicians Eduard Wirths and Friedrich Entress tested Bayer pharmaceuticals on prisoners who suffered from and often had been deliberately infected with tuberculosis, diphtheria, and other diseases." ...

"Bayer, however, did little to come to terms with its Nazi past. Fritz ter Meer, convicted of war crimes for his actions at Auschwitz, was elected to Bayer AG’s supervisory board in 1956, a position he retained until 1964."

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/bayer

[1] https://www.bayer.com/en/history/1925-1945

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