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Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by kylecordes »

blibble wrote: post #27

no amount of complaints from... everyone about jira/confluence being absurdly slow or horrible to use had any effect on my employer (large multinational) but their decision to abandon on-prem has resulted in the company migrating away from all atlassian products the best thing atlassian have ever done!

But they're not abandoning on-premise, though one could get that impression from the tone of the article.

They are only dropping the small-business targeted Server tier, they are keeping the enterprise targeted Datacenter tier. It's pretty much a drop-in replacement, with extra capabilities. And annual payment instead of initial+upgrades payment.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by imglorp »

atribecalledqst wrote: post #24

JIRA has been annoying the shit out of me with their recent UI updates -- 1. Changing default sorting order to 'most recent first'; I thought I was going insane at first when it happened 2. Making the comment box a floating page element so it always takes up about 25% screen real estate I've been able to script these back to their old behavior but wouldn't it be nice if they added settings to toggle the behavior... M…

(1) seems like a no-brainer to remember your preferred sort order in various places, such as issues in epics and yes it annoys everyone. https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRACLOUD-79973

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by kwanbix »

HHad3 wrote: post #12

Using Atlassian cloud products is a business risk. They previously let customers sit for weeks without access to their data [1]. Cloud-hosted products do get early patches for unsecured /setup routes though [2], so there's that. At this point the decision has been made in our org to firewall their products off the internet and internal networks, and migrate to something else by 2024. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=atl…

While Jira does many many things right, it is also horrible in so many ways.

What options are you evaluating?

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by maccard »

ChatGTP wrote: post #30
RHSeeger wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new editor in Jira is drives me nuts. They replaced a perfectly good, functional markdown editor with the current POS, and it causes me problems nearly every single day.

Atlassian stuggles with editors like no other company I've seen. I don't remember the last time I had a problem with an editor except for using any Atlassian product. Not sure what the fuck they do, but they really seem to have trouble with this aspect of their products. Which is ironic because their products are essentially CRUD products with a heavy emphasis on data entry. Like, if anything out their products needs…

I think it's related to how atlassian develops their products - they acquire then. Jira, confluence and Trello have three different editors because they're three different products developed by three different companies.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by tallanvor »

botulidze wrote: post #19

The problem with Jira is that we don't have many alternatives at enterprise level. Maybe for smaller teams ( I had a lot of hopes for Github Issues [0] but since they announced the product on last year's Universe event, there were not many news. Maybe this November they will come back with an update. At this point, I feel Jira is like WordPress. It maybe slow and overbloated, but you can have absolutely any plugin an…

At the enterprise level, I suppose you could be looking at IBM Rational or Microsoft Dynamics. I'm surprised ServiceNow isn't trying to break into this space. But with the amount of customization that ends up being demanded, I'm not surprised the big companies start rolling their own.

For smaller companies, there's so many choices out there, I can understand why it's hard to decide on one.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by maccard »

botulidze wrote: post #19

The problem with Jira is that we don't have many alternatives at enterprise level. Maybe for smaller teams ( I had a lot of hopes for Github Issues [0] but since they announced the product on last year's Universe event, there were not many news. Maybe this November they will come back with an update. At this point, I feel Jira is like WordPress. It maybe slow and overbloated, but you can have absolutely any plugin an…

All the big tech companies predate Jira to be fair.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by preisschild »

kwanbix wrote: post #33
HHad3 wrote: post #12

Using Atlassian cloud products is a business risk. They previously let customers sit for weeks without access to their data [1]. Cloud-hosted products do get early patches for unsecured /setup routes though [2], so there's that. At this point the decision has been made in our org to firewall their products off the internet and internal networks, and migrate to something else by 2024. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=atl…

While Jira does many many things right, it is also horrible in so many ways. What options are you evaluating?

Not OP, but we moved to Gitlab Issues.

Project Managers are missing some features, but the devs (including me) like it a lot more due to integrating so well with PRs/commits.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

kwanbix wrote: post #33
HHad3 wrote: post #12

Using Atlassian cloud products is a business risk. They previously let customers sit for weeks without access to their data [1]. Cloud-hosted products do get early patches for unsecured /setup routes though [2], so there's that. At this point the decision has been made in our org to firewall their products off the internet and internal networks, and migrate to something else by 2024. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=atl…

While Jira does many many things right, it is also horrible in so many ways. What options are you evaluating?

Despite the "Azure" name, Azure DevOps Server (formerly Team Foundation Server), is still a rock-solid on-prem system for git repo hosting, issues/stories/projects, build automation, and the rest - though I feel it has stagnated somewhat, and git integration still feels half-baked compared to TFS's previous SVN-clone, but is still my first-choice for on-prem installs (granted, I'm still wedded to the MSFT stack).

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by originalvichy »

jaylittle wrote: post #2

One day the pendulum will swing back in the other direction. Until then, those of us who disagree with putting absolutely everything into the cloud will just have to sit back and bide our time.

Can’t say I agree. I believe the method of distributing software historically was limited due to no easy access to public computing. Now the software distributor can more easily provide the software to the customer.

If ”cloud” was available in the 90s, I doubt that self hosting would have been as popular. Not saying its a wrong choice, just a matter of convenience.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by preisschild »

proxysna wrote: post #10

Last year I was second guessing myself if migration to Gitlab EE from Jira, Bitbucket and Jenkins would be worth it, as it was a massive shift for my org. Maybe purchasing a DC version of Atlassian products would be a better alternative, but after short look into invoices and licensing it was decided to go forward with Gitlab. Still not a big fan of how stiff Yaml pipelines feel in Gitlab CI and that tickets for what…

Are you using the docker executor, or Kubernetes?

For Kubernetes, we found that GitLab has a tool that automatically does that:

https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/ci-cd/gitlab-runner-pod-cleanu...

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