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EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

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Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

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Post by robertlagrant »

hef19898 wrote: post #15
rollulus wrote: post #11

Initiatives like Chat Control makes me pessimistic. They keep on coming in all sort of variations and we defend. Given enough of such iterations, at some point though they’ll eventually be lucky and god knows how long it will take to revert things. And what I don’t get is that this sort of proposed legislation is more than Stasi could've ever wished. And yet it’s openly discussed as if it’s good idea. And note that “…

Because leaving the EU worked out so well last time someone tried.

Speaking as a Remain voter, I think that 2023 would look the almost the same post-Covid and Russia invading Ukraine. Brexit is a distant third in terms of damage done.

Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

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Post by hcks »

maccard wrote: post #6
roenxi wrote: post #2

> “Ideally, in our view,” they say, “it would be desirable to legislatively prevent EU-based service providers from implementing end-to-end encryption.” - Spain It is hard to even comment on in idea that extreme. The rest of us are lucky the EU has failed so comprehensively at establishing a global tech presence.

The EU don't have a monopoly on dumb laws. > The rest of us are lucky the EU has failed so comprehensively at establishing a global tech presence. Lots of us think that the world would be better if tech companies didn't play so fast and loose with our data, and were better regulated.

I wish euros could explain to me why they speak of "their data" as if that was their souls

Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

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Post by justinclift »

robertlagrant wrote: post #31
hef19898 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because leaving the EU worked out so well last time someone tried.

Speaking as a Remain voter, I think that 2023 would look the almost the same post-Covid and Russia invading Ukraine. Brexit is a distant third in terms of damage done.

It's probably made the nation more fragile / less resilient to externals shocks though, such as Covid and the Ukraine invasion.

Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

hutzlibu wrote: post #26
rollulus wrote: post #11

Initiatives like Chat Control makes me pessimistic. They keep on coming in all sort of variations and we defend. Given enough of such iterations, at some point though they’ll eventually be lucky and god knows how long it will take to revert things. And what I don’t get is that this sort of proposed legislation is more than Stasi could've ever wished. And yet it’s openly discussed as if it’s good idea. And note that “…

Luckily governments are not a monolithic and coherent block. France for example was an early backer of matrix.. So if the worst happens and a mandatory chat control will gets implemented by the government, then it is a good thing that other parts of the government helped making sure, there are working alternatives avaiable, that are not so easy to regulate.

But isn't that precisely the problem with large supranational orgs like the EU, to which its member countries cede some of their sovereignty. Countries often HAVE to implement EU policy in their own laws, or else face sanctions. They can't just pick and choose.

Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

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Post by devjab »

robertlagrant wrote: post #31
hef19898 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because leaving the EU worked out so well last time someone tried.

Speaking as a Remain voter, I think that 2023 would look the almost the same post-Covid and Russia invading Ukraine. Brexit is a distant third in terms of damage done.

Brexit didn’t really help in terms of privacy though, the UK being one of the leading western anti-encryption countries politically.

At least within the EU you have the chance of having at least one member state be an adult about it and realise that mass surveillance won’t work out the way they hope.

Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

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Post by ko27 »

rollulus wrote: post #11

Initiatives like Chat Control makes me pessimistic. They keep on coming in all sort of variations and we defend. Given enough of such iterations, at some point though they’ll eventually be lucky and god knows how long it will take to revert things. And what I don’t get is that this sort of proposed legislation is more than Stasi could've ever wished. And yet it’s openly discussed as if it’s good idea. And note that “…

You should be glad EU exists not wishing to leave it. More than half of countries support this kind of control, and yet it probably won't pass because of a minority of countries. Seems like EU will actually end up preventing this from spreading across the continent.

Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

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Post by mrtksn »

rollulus wrote: post #11

Initiatives like Chat Control makes me pessimistic. They keep on coming in all sort of variations and we defend. Given enough of such iterations, at some point though they’ll eventually be lucky and god knows how long it will take to revert things. And what I don’t get is that this sort of proposed legislation is more than Stasi could've ever wished. And yet it’s openly discussed as if it’s good idea. And note that “…

>It freaks me out to the point that I rather have my country leave the EU.

What makes you think that your country’s politicians don’t want that but some people in Brussels are forcing it?

Those people in Brussels are just people from all the countries, including yours. You also vote them in.

The desire of governments controlling the population is universal.

Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

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Post by derelicta »

hcks wrote: post #33
maccard wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU don't have a monopoly on dumb laws. > The rest of us are lucky the EU has failed so comprehensively at establishing a global tech presence. Lots of us think that the world would be better if tech companies didn't play so fast and loose with our data, and were better regulated.

I wish euros could explain to me why they speak of "their data" as if that was their souls

The amount of data you generate and store about yourself is akin to everything you generate and store physically. Between the bills I pay, the notes I write down and the photos I take, I find it pretty reasonable to affirm "my data" are representative of what I am.
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