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A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

sneak wrote: post #16
jassyr wrote: post #7

>"Harvard Economics professor Jason Furman ’92 shared a similar statement on X, writing that he had been contacted by a student who had been doxxed despite no longer attending Harvard or affiliating with the co-signing group." Undeniable tragedy what happened, innocent lives lost and countless more will die in this war, but accusing and doxxing innocent people whose lives will be overturned seems like the wrong appro…

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I don’t think I should be accused of supporting terrorist actions because I joined an anti Zionist group in my freshman year and I’ve since graduated and had no affiliations with them since, or something like this.

Also I’m not an anti Zionist, and I’m pretty ignorant about this sort of thing, so I don’t really have an opinion. But like, college kids can have dumb opinions that they grow out of. Are they fundraising for hamas? Are they trying to give info to terrorists? Or can this be solved with calling someone’s mom and having her chew them out about spouting stupid shit in public?

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by klesirg34t »

jassyr wrote: post #7

>"Harvard Economics professor Jason Furman ’92 shared a similar statement on X, writing that he had been contacted by a student who had been doxxed despite no longer attending Harvard or affiliating with the co-signing group." Undeniable tragedy what happened, innocent lives lost and countless more will die in this war, but accusing and doxxing innocent people whose lives will be overturned seems like the wrong appro…

DEATH TO NAZIS!

KILL YOURSELF!

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by merpnderp »

jassyr wrote: post #7

>"Harvard Economics professor Jason Furman ’92 shared a similar statement on X, writing that he had been contacted by a student who had been doxxed despite no longer attending Harvard or affiliating with the co-signing group." Undeniable tragedy what happened, innocent lives lost and countless more will die in this war, but accusing and doxxing innocent people whose lives will be overturned seems like the wrong appro…

They’re lucky Antifa stopped punching, doxxing, and harassing people who explicitly espouse anti-Jewish sentiment.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by sneak »

polygamous_bat wrote: post #27
sneak wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Doxxing is always weird because there is no real violence until there is – it’s all implied violence – so online trolls can hide behind the facade of “I didn’t touch you!” The people signing the doc are already public, a truck roaming around with their face on it is just organized harassment at that point. Didn’t think I would see a pro-doxxing content here, but what do I know.

I don’t think publicizing someone’s views (if you think them repugnant) is implied violence at all, nor is it harassment.

Perhaps they want their community to shun them, which is a good and noble resolution to the general problem of someone exhibiting abhorrent behavior (note that I am not of an opinion on whether or not this original behavior is abhorrent).

They doxxed themselves when they published their views. The truck people are simply amplifying their statements.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by polygamous_bat »

sneak wrote: post #34
polygamous_bat wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doxxing is always weird because there is no real violence until there is – it’s all implied violence – so online trolls can hide behind the facade of “I didn’t touch you!” The people signing the doc are already public, a truck roaming around with their face on it is just organized harassment at that point. Didn’t think I would see a pro-doxxing content here, but what do I know.

I don’t think publicizing someone’s views (if you think them repugnant) is implied violence at all , nor is it harassment. Perhaps they want their community to shun them, which is a good and noble resolution to the general problem of someone exhibiting abhorrent behavior (note that I am not of an opinion on whether or not this original behavior is abhorrent). They doxxed themselves when they published their views. Th…

You don’t think if Elon Musk tweets tomorrow “@polygamous_bat doesn’t like X, or dogecoins! His phone number is 0123 and address is XYZ”, that’s harassment? None of what he would say is false, but by amplifying it to his audience of trolls he just increases the chance of something “accidentally” happening to me.

Same here. Whether you say something or not, putting your face on a billboard is guaranteed to attract crazies. If your opponent is spending a million dollar to give that treatment to literal college kids, it doesn’t take a genius to see who the evil is.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by mh8h »

sneak wrote: post #16
jassyr wrote: post #7

>"Harvard Economics professor Jason Furman ’92 shared a similar statement on X, writing that he had been contacted by a student who had been doxxed despite no longer attending Harvard or affiliating with the co-signing group." Undeniable tragedy what happened, innocent lives lost and countless more will die in this war, but accusing and doxxing innocent people whose lives will be overturned seems like the wrong appro…

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The student groups signed the letter as legal entities. But not every single member of those groups necessarily agreed to it. Members of at least some of those group were not even notified about the letter.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by djitz »

jassyr wrote: post #7

>"Harvard Economics professor Jason Furman ’92 shared a similar statement on X, writing that he had been contacted by a student who had been doxxed despite no longer attending Harvard or affiliating with the co-signing group." Undeniable tragedy what happened, innocent lives lost and countless more will die in this war, but accusing and doxxing innocent people whose lives will be overturned seems like the wrong appro…

2023 version of 9/11. I recall Indian shop owners being dragged out and beaten for a while after that fateful day.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by neilv »

(I hadn't heard about the letter in question, and, FWIW, I'm sympathetic to what I understand of multiple groups in recent tragedies. Am commenting on a separate topic.)

Before globally-accessible campus newspaper Web editions, and especially before Twitter mobs, I had the impression that universities were a relatively safe space for dialogue, including on controversial topics with impassioned viewpoints.

Are students and society being shortchanged, when students are afraid to say or ask something "stupid" and be corrected or informed, are afraid to discuss certain topics or accidentally say the wrong thing (because they'll be doxxed publicly, or shunned by fellow students), won't listen to and try to understand the perspective of a (good faith) speaker with whom they assume they'll disagree, etc.?

Especially in the case of high-prestige schools like Harvard, these students will disproportionately be going into positions of influence over the world. We need them to be learned and thoughtful, to be comfortable with and promote honest dialogue, to understand and have challenged their biases and assumptions, to be humble but to aspire, to be genuine.

I hope that at least individual professors are declaring their classrooms a safe space for good faith dialogue. Student groups and others of the university should also consider when they want to be public-facing, and when they want to be supporting a more nurturing environment -- to help students learn and grow, so that the later graduates will be better able to help tackle the problems of the real world.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by Frummy »

sneak wrote: post #22
Frummy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the circumstance, intimidation tactics like these undermine free speech.

I don’t agree. If you make public statements, you should be more than prepared for others to amplify your public statements with your name attached. The solution to speech you don’t like is more speech. This is the system working as intended. Free speech does not mean freedom from social consequences for expressing unpopular opinions.

Threats of violence and guilt by association is not part of proper discourse.

This isnt more speech, its saying shut up or find out, its an attempt at mob justice, one makes websites with disregard for privacy and truth (did they say it or just associated to the organisation like the old student?), one amplifies the identified people with a truck, the other intimidates with death threats, and none feel very guilty because each carry through a fraction of the whole ordeal. More speech is great, but thats a romanticised view you have, because these people are putting themselves above the law.

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