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2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> Goldin showed that female participation in the labour market did not have an upward trend over this entire period, but instead forms a U-shaped curve. The participation of married women decreased with the transition from an agrarian to an industrial society in the early nineteenth century, but then started to increase with the growth of the service sector in the early twentieth century. Goldin explained this patter…

I'm sure it feels intuitive when you have the answer but I am slightly surprised since women working in factories (and for lower wages) was a major issue at least from the 19th century.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> It’s a pathetic marketing scheme by a fake science. What makes a science "real" and what makes it "fake"?

The use of the scientific method.

Fair point. Economics is a real science then.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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If the ACM, instead of founding the Turing award, had attempted to pay to get a Nobel memorial prize in Computer Science, we would have easily recognized it for what it was - a pathetic play for respectability.

The name Computer Science itself is a marketing ploy to convince people that it is a real science (and not just another branch of engineering). Seems to be working for CS, and I can easily imagine people on this forum would be happy to defend the legitimacy of the Swedish Institute of Sciences Nobel Memorial Prize in Computational Science. I think the issue is not an objection to marketing but an objection to the inh…

Historically Computer Science was often more associated with mathematics in academia than it was with electrical engineering--depending upon the school. Today, most people would probably agree that it's mostly an engineering discipline, albeit perhaps lacking some of the formal methods and practices that other branches of engineering tend to have. But it was presumably less clear when the term was coined in the early 1960s.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the ACM, instead of founding the Turing award, had attempted to pay to get a Nobel memorial prize in Computer Science, we would have easily recognized it for what it was - a pathetic play for respectability.

The name Computer Science itself is a marketing ploy to convince people that it is a real science (and not just another branch of engineering). Seems to be working for CS, and I can easily imagine people on this forum would be happy to defend the legitimacy of the Swedish Institute of Sciences Nobel Memorial Prize in Computational Science. I think the issue is not an objection to marketing but an objection to the inh…

Isn't CS proper (not software engineering) much more a field of math?

> I think the issue is not an objection to marketing but an objection to the inherently political nature of economics. The people who don't like the phrase Noble Prize in Economics generally don't agree with the political aspirations of neoliberal economists to shape and control global policy. There is something very troubling about the amount of power that central bankers and academics wield given how flimsy their methods are.

Hmm, good point, I wonder if it's that or just good old internet "ackhuallyyy".

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Granted, the merit of some of the awards is questionable, but I think e.g.: Nash's work on game theory or Kahneman/Tvservky's on the pyschology of judgment definitely fall under the umbrella of "science".

Arguably Goldin winning for pure empirical work falls under science just as much or more than the Khaneman prize

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> Goldin showed that female participation in the labour market did not have an upward trend over this entire period, but instead forms a U-shaped curve. The participation of married women decreased with the transition from an agrarian to an industrial society in the early nineteenth century, but then started to increase with the growth of the service sector in the early twentieth century. Goldin explained this patter…

Somebody should superimpose the U-curve with the fertility rate graph. It might be that women employment picked up again when women gave up on having children/families. If you live in a 1st world country and you're too poor to afford to have a family (and by this I mean to be able to raise children with a certain standard of living) you might as well have a career... just to have some semblance of meaning in life.

Income negatively correlated with family fertility rates in the US. That doesn’t mean that economic strife doesn’t lower fertility as some folks will jump to claim though. But I find this proposed explanation to be unlikely.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> It’s a pathetic marketing scheme by a fake science. What makes a science "real" and what makes it "fake"?

When you branch of from real sciences, defining a lower of bar of quality, unable to meet the standard of the established field.

Also if you branched off of social sciences some time ago and you never bothered to implement reproducibility reforms.

That's not to say all papers of such a science are garbage, just most will be, since not only is the bar for acceptance lower, those sciences also attract people who are unable to meet the standards of other fields.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> It’s a pathetic marketing scheme by a fake science. What makes a science "real" and what makes it "fake"?

The use of the scientific method.

Plenty of hypothesis are formed and experiments done in economics:

> The Kansas experiment refers to Kansas Senate Bill Substitute HB 2117, a bill signed into law in May 2012 by Kansas state Governor Sam Brownback, and its impact on Kansas.[1][2] It was one of the largest income tax cuts in the state's history.[3] The Kansas experiment has also been called the "Great Kansas Tax Cut Experiment",[4] the "Red-state experiment",[5] "the tax experiment in Kansas",[6] and "one of the cleanest experiments for how tax cuts affect economic growth in the U.S."[7] The cuts were based on model legislation published by the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC),[8][9][10][11] supported by supply-side economist Arthur Laffer,[12] and anti-tax leader Grover Norquist.[13] The law cut taxes by US$231 million in its first year, and cuts were projected to total US$934 million annually after six years,[14] by eliminating taxes on business income for the owners of almost 200,000 businesses and cutting individual income tax rates.[14]

> Brownback compared his tax policies with those of Ronald Reagan, and described them as "a real live experiment",[15] which would be a "shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy",[16] and predicted that by 2020 they would have created an additional 23,000 jobs.[3] By 2017, state revenues had fallen by hundreds of millions of dollars,[17] causing spending on roads, bridges, and education to be slashed.[18][19] With economic growth remaining consistently below average,[4] the Republican Legislature of Kansas voted to roll back the cuts; although Brownback vetoed the repeal, the legislature succeeded in overriding his veto.[20]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment

When the Fed first announced 'quantitative easing' in 2010, it was an experiment on the economy and a whole bunch of folks made predictions on what would happen:

> We believe the Federal Reserve's large-scale asset purchase plan (so-called "quantitative easing") should be reconsidered and discontinued. We do not believe such a plan is necessary or advisable under current circumstances. The planned asset purchases risk currency debasement and inflation, and we do not think they will achieve the Fed's objective of promoting employment.

* https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-REB-12460

A bunch of others said the above was non-sense: one group's models were right, and the other groups' were wrong (the folks who wrote the letter).

Even true on Wall Street, where Gross of PIMCO famously predicted things would go a certainly way and put up a lot of money… and his predictions were wrong (as certain economists said they were):

> But why was Gross betting so heavily against Treasuries? Brad DeLong tries to rationalize[1] Gross’s behavior in terms of a coherent story about an impending U.S. recovery, which would lift us out of the liquidity trap. But Gross wasn’t saying anything like that. Instead, he was claiming that the Fed’s asset purchases — QE2 — were holding rates down, and warned that the impending spike in rates when QE2 ended would derail recovery.

> So why did he believe all that? It all comes down, I’d argue, to liquidity trap denial.

> Since 2008 the basic logic of the economic situation has been that the private sector is trying to run a huge surplus, and the public sector isn’t willing to run a corresponding deficit. The result is an economy awash in desired savings with nowhere to go. This in turn means that budget deficits aren’t competing with private borrowing, and therefore need not drive up interest rates. This isn’t hindsight; it’s what I and others have been saying since the very beginning[2].

* https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/0...

See also:

* Minimum wage policies: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-minimum-wage-...

* Real estate and banning investors: https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/06/buy-to-let-ban-is-good-for-...

* Government spending / austerity: https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2011/wp11158.pdf

I once read a quip by a physicist (Feynman?): My job would be much harder if particles had free will.

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