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Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#31

I don't know why we can't just force everyone to show post tax/fees price upfront. It's complete bullshit that every restaurant bill comes with 3 different taxes.

Taxes are set at a multiple levels (federal, state, district, and city) so it's pretty much impossible to show the post tax price on the label. Hidden fees are a completely different issue.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#34
post #14

> Hidden fees are fees in which a seller uses an artificially low headline price to attract a customer and usually either discloses additional required fees in smaller print, or reveals additional unavoidable charges later in the buying process. Like tips?

No, not like tips.

Expected tips are known up front, they are variable, and I certainly think it's totally fine to not tip in places where it's not usually expected, "flipping around the iPad" be damned.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#35
post #3

Is that like "convenience fee" or that sort of crap such as on Ticketmaster? If so, this is amazing! Make it NA-wide please :) haha

Yes, it would include that kind of thing. It’s written broadly to include all fees except (1) taxes and government-mandated fees, and (2) shipping fees (which have to match the actual cost the seller pays for shipping).

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#36

I don't know why we can't just force everyone to show post tax/fees price upfront. It's complete bullshit that every restaurant bill comes with 3 different taxes.

I disagree. Note the California bill specifically exempts taxes from this "upfront pricing" requirement. The reason I think listing taxes separately is OK is because (a) it is not something that the business itself has any choice over, and (b) all businesses have to tax the same for equivalent services. I think listing the taxes separately serves an important purpose to remind the purchaser about where your payments…

Agreed. It’s also a reminder to the voter that these sales tax exist and a reminder they can be lowered or eliminated.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#37
post #14

> Hidden fees are fees in which a seller uses an artificially low headline price to attract a customer and usually either discloses additional required fees in smaller print, or reveals additional unavoidable charges later in the buying process. Like tips?

And sales tax, CA “paint disposal fees”, CA bottle fees, and all the other crap CA (and municipalities) tack onto their bills?

My cable/fiber bill is chock full of fees — many apparently imposed by the city, county, and state.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#38

Just need other states to follow suit. However, I personally haven’t dealt with hidden fees and don’t know how prevalent they are in the US. Is it a widespread issue? I suppose none of the companies I do business with have them.

Have you been to a sit-down restaurant recently? Where I live (major southeast US city) there's a 50/50 chance there will be some random bullshit fee (sometimes even more than one!) tacked onto the bill (and I'm not talking about tax or a tip).

Happens all over. I have seen "employee" fees (I guess it's good to have employees), covid recovery charges (I guess I'm glad I didn't get covid there), and other surcharges.

The bogus fees are always taxed, and then the full amount is used to compute a recommended tip (even at food kiosks.)

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#39
post #14

> Hidden fees are fees in which a seller uses an artificially low headline price to attract a customer and usually either discloses additional required fees in smaller print, or reveals additional unavoidable charges later in the buying process. Like tips?

I guess tips are technically not 'unavoidable'.

Yes, I understand. But if you want to come to the same restaurant again and you don't tip, it may be a problem. Imagine Amazon not wanting to do business with you because you didn't add extra X% to your previous purchase.
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