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Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

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Re: Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

#31

This is sad. I really wish consoles were more open platforms than they are today so people didn't have to jailbreak their devices to run stuff like pretendo and install homebrew. Also imagine how cool a replacement E-Shop would be. Someone really needs to work on creating a open console or even one with a form factor similar to the 3DS/DS. I mean imagine how cool a analogue pocket DS would be or maybe even a fantasy…

Meh. People knew when they bought in that the platforms were closed.

If they wanted "open platforms" they should've bought PC games.

Re: Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing the point of the parent's suggestion. > Regulators should force companies to open source any games and associated server software that consumers paid to "own", yet companies are no longer willing to maintain. Nintendo shouldn't be forced to support them, but consumers should be able to continue using them. The hardware still works great, and even if not, we have virtual hardware. This should be…

They didn't buy the games, they just bought licenses to use them in certain ways. Their mistake

Wonder why digital games usually go the same price of physical media, then if their ownership is conceptually different.

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#33
I think having pure data IP protected by copyright should require said IP to be uploaded to a national database in each country. After the copyright elapses, everyone can simply download from that database.

Sure, there are a lot of works to copyright every year. That's a lot of data. But we need to save all of that somewhere, so it might as well be some place that can't go bankrupt.

Re: Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

#34

It’ll never happen, but I think codifying a concept similar to “abandonware” in law would be a huge step forward. If a person can’t buy or rent a piece of media, then it should be able to be freely shared. Maybe add a short time-out period in case there are momentary hiccups with a creator. Make it apply not just to videogames, but books, movies, music, etc. After all, if you can’t buy it, you’re not depriving the cr…

Hmm. I don't think I agree with the philosophy of it, even if the outcome is good for consumers. For one, just because something is not available for purchase does not mean that the creator is not deprived of the would-be revenue. An existing owner of a copy of the media should have access to it for the duration, but I can't get to why it should become freely shareable. Secondly, that puts an unfair burden on creators. If I do a run of of my book, and it sells out, I don't think it becomes open season on duplicating it digitally, and I shouldn't have to always carry excess inventory just in case it's a hit.

Beyond that, as you say, it'll never happen, because entities like Disney are not going to forego their ability to drum up demand by "vaulting" their properties.

Re: Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

#35
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Fortunately there is a fan run project that's working on recreating the online services for these consoles/games, in the same way that Wiimmfi has gotten the DS and Wii's multiplayer functionality up and running. See the Pretendo project here: https://pretendo.network/ It's not exactly feature perfect yet, but 2024 gives them time to fix up many of the features they haven't gotten working, and hopefully expand suppor…

I know it's not realistic but it'd be cool if pretendo made a e-shop replacement.

It is technically possible, but it will only hold homebrew at best, due to licensing nightmares. They published a video recently of a PoC of it happening in their discord

I think this could replace the likes of Universal Updater (3DS's main homebrew browser) if it gets to public. Not that UU is bad, it just lacks the tiny eshop dudes :)

Re: Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

#36

It’ll never happen, but I think codifying a concept similar to “abandonware” in law would be a huge step forward. If a person can’t buy or rent a piece of media, then it should be able to be freely shared. Maybe add a short time-out period in case there are momentary hiccups with a creator. Make it apply not just to videogames, but books, movies, music, etc. After all, if you can’t buy it, you’re not depriving the cr…

I don't know if this would work. Right now, Winnie the Pooh has gone public domain, and if you've seen the reaction to "Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey" or a new video game called "Winnie's Hole"... most people really, really do not like that Winnie the Pooh is being expanded in the horror direction. Some are even calling for copyright to be eternal because the public is showing that it cannot handle public domain responsibly. There's even a growing argument that copyright actually prevents unoriginal ripoffs and shock content more than it stifles creativity.

Emotionally, I do understand the sentiment. Especially when more content like Mickey Mouse or The Hobbit (in Canada, just the books, next year) go public domain - I wouldn't be shocked if we get calls to just abandon the concept of public domain from how companies are using it.

Let me be clear: I still support Public Domain. I also think people who make slasher films using childhood characters are the most perfect method you could devise, if you were a corporation, to make people mad at Public Domain's existence. If I were Disney and somehow capable of sending money anonymously, I'd pay for the creation of as much awful Winnie the Pooh content as possible; then send a letter to a local senator asking for Congress to investigate restrictions.

Re: Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

#37

It’ll never happen, but I think codifying a concept similar to “abandonware” in law would be a huge step forward. If a person can’t buy or rent a piece of media, then it should be able to be freely shared. Maybe add a short time-out period in case there are momentary hiccups with a creator. Make it apply not just to videogames, but books, movies, music, etc. After all, if you can’t buy it, you’re not depriving the cr…

But the value of something is often its scarcity... The owner of Once Upon a Time in Shaolin by Wu Tang would be pretty mad if it was freely shared because it couldn't be bought or rented. Context from Wikipedia for those who don't know it: "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin is the seventh studio album by the American hip hop group Wu-Tang Clan. Only one physical copy of the album was created, with no ability to download o…

> You'd have to have special categories whereby quantities could be intentionally limited.

This is artificial scarcity, especially when applied to things that can be distributed digitally. I don’t particularly see a reason to encourage it. It’s not like 1s and 0s are in short supply compared to, say, precious metals.

And omitting that carve out will explicitly prevent Nintendo and other companies from making that argument.

Re: Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

#38

It’ll never happen, but I think codifying a concept similar to “abandonware” in law would be a huge step forward. If a person can’t buy or rent a piece of media, then it should be able to be freely shared. Maybe add a short time-out period in case there are momentary hiccups with a creator. Make it apply not just to videogames, but books, movies, music, etc. After all, if you can’t buy it, you’re not depriving the cr…

But the value of something is often its scarcity... The owner of Once Upon a Time in Shaolin by Wu Tang would be pretty mad if it was freely shared because it couldn't be bought or rented. Context from Wikipedia for those who don't know it: "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin is the seventh studio album by the American hip hop group Wu-Tang Clan. Only one physical copy of the album was created, with no ability to download o…

> The owner of Once Upon a Time in Shaolin by Wu Tang would be pretty mad if it was freely shared because it couldn't be bought or rented.

Indeed. And? If you say that in that case it would never have been produced, well this does not change much for the N-1 current and future humans.

In the other hand, yes sometimes you might want to limit diffusion somehow, it's your right and it might be complicated. Better to have full copyright, but for 20 years. (That would mean Wii games out of copyright in 3 years), LGTM.

Re: Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

#39

It’ll never happen, but I think codifying a concept similar to “abandonware” in law would be a huge step forward. If a person can’t buy or rent a piece of media, then it should be able to be freely shared. Maybe add a short time-out period in case there are momentary hiccups with a creator. Make it apply not just to videogames, but books, movies, music, etc. After all, if you can’t buy it, you’re not depriving the cr…

I am not sure how that would work. "Artificial Intelligence a Modern Approach" 1st Edition is no longer available. Should it be allowed to be freely shared when 4th edition is still on sale? The changes aren't that minor, either.

Re: Nintendo’s Wii U and 3DS online services will shut down in April

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't buy the games, they just bought licenses to use them in certain ways. Their mistake

Wonder why digital games usually go the same price of physical media, then if their ownership is conceptually different.

Because enough people don't mind being gouged
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