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Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Re: Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Post by jtriangle »

ploum wrote: post #17
mrguyorama wrote: post #9

TED talks have platformed literal fraudsters many times. It's just rich, well connected people roleplaying some idea of a "thought leader" organization.

TED is a well-oiled feel good scam that pretends that you can learn something that will change your life/your mind by watching a 15 minutes video. It has managed to instill in the popular culture that those videos are educational. No, they are not. It’s simply a brand earning a lot of money on the free speakers hoping to get some Karma and organizers paying lot of money to just have the brand. (I gave two TEDx talk m…

To be fair, the paper towel guy has me shaking my hands 12 times every time I wash them, so, it is possible.

Re: Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Post by JamesBarney »

CharlesW wrote: post #12
hermannj314 wrote: post #8

What seemed to be missing was a critical and self-aware statement of why his critics may be right or at least his strongest argument. Without such honesty, any apologia is hollow. In response to the hollowness, I did some googling on racial color blindness and I now am very convinced of its connection to white supremacy. This author had my attention for 10 minutes and was too abstract for me to really learn anything…

Even the author doesn't believe in racial color blindness¹. This TED Talk is content marketing for his personal brand, his business doing speaking engagements² ($10-20K each), and his forthcoming book, and he's just upset that his YouTube view count shows that few people care what he thinks about the topic. ¹ "Taking that viewpoint seriously — while ultimately refuting it — was the express purpose of my talk." ² http…

On his twitter Coleman says that his youtube views were what he was expecting, it's the view directly from the TED Talk website that seemed surprisingly low.

Re: Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Post by AlbertCory »

JamesBarney wrote: post #33
coding123 wrote: post #21

Why was this flagged

Because it's a culture way topic, which tend to end in flame wars which is what hacker news is trying to avoid.

and yet yesterday, a clearly partisan article in favor of unions, also a culture war topic, was not flagged.

Re: Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Post by falcolas »

timmg wrote: post #13
hermannj314 wrote: post #8

What seemed to be missing was a critical and self-aware statement of why his critics may be right or at least his strongest argument. Without such honesty, any apologia is hollow. In response to the hollowness, I did some googling on racial color blindness and I now am very convinced of its connection to white supremacy. This author had my attention for 10 minutes and was too abstract for me to really learn anything…

> What seemed to be missing was a critical and self-aware statement of why his critics may be right or at least his strongest argument. I imagine for any talk (or any theory) about just about anything (worth giving a talk about) will have critics (and reasonable critical arguments.) But, generally, I wouldn't think that that in itself is a good reason to (to some extent) censor his talk. > In response to the hollowne…

Hate groups are fantastic at co-opting previously reasonable ideas. Some examples:

- Woke

- The OK hand symbol

- Gay - turning a word that literally means "Happy" into a slur

- The Punisher symbol - He is not a police-adjacent vigilante.

- The US Flag (stars and bars, to be specific)

So, yeah, as a fellow older HNer, it's hard to see these kinds of re-defining ideals we once ascribed to. But it's happening, and that reality is the one we have to live in.

Re: Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Post by falcolas »

anonymousiam wrote: post #29
hermannj314 wrote: post #8

What seemed to be missing was a critical and self-aware statement of why his critics may be right or at least his strongest argument. Without such honesty, any apologia is hollow. In response to the hollowness, I did some googling on racial color blindness and I now am very convinced of its connection to white supremacy. This author had my attention for 10 minutes and was too abstract for me to really learn anything…

So was Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. a white supremacist when he advocated for a color blind society?

The phrase has been co-opted; its meaning has changed. As happens with all languages, a phrase is not defined once and never changes, much to my chagrin.

Re: Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Post by anonymousiam »

falcolas wrote: post #36
anonymousiam wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So was Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. a white supremacist when he advocated for a color blind society?

The phrase has been co-opted; its meaning has changed. As happens with all languages, a phrase is not defined once and never changes, much to my chagrin.

Citations please? I was not aware of this. Who or which group has co-opted it, and for what purpose?

Re: Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Post by rickydroll »

jononomo wrote: post #26
rickydroll wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in my opinion the only thing a debate proves is who is a better debater. Debates can turn on bon mot that sounds true but doesn't stand up to careful, measured thought. I think of debates as more like a verbal pugilism or jousting, verbal violence for the amusement of the spectators. I think in the end, if a debate changes your mind, you hadn't thought deeply about the issue discussed.

Yes — the point of a debate is to enable people to think more deeply. Do you think there is any point to reading or writing? By your reasoning, reading and writing are just verbal jousting and if reading or writing make any difference in your life then that is an indication that you really should have just thought more deeply to begin with.

You are right that reading and writing can be verbal jousting but that is not the sole purpose of reading and writing. When dealing with the written word you have a record front of you that you can analyze and look for confirming information to see if the words are manipulation, truthful or outright lies. having words in front of you that you can go back and verify that your memory is correct gives you an opportunity to think more clearly and gather information so your better informed.

In a debate, the words fly by, they are half remembered and you come to conclusions that are not based on what was said but instead based on what you heard and half remembered.

Re: Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Post by friend_and_foe »

hermannj314 wrote: post #8

What seemed to be missing was a critical and self-aware statement of why his critics may be right or at least his strongest argument. Without such honesty, any apologia is hollow. In response to the hollowness, I did some googling on racial color blindness and I now am very convinced of its connection to white supremacy. This author had my attention for 10 minutes and was too abstract for me to really learn anything…

He doesn't have to address his debate opponent's points in their favor for them. He filmed an actual debate allowing them to do so themselves. He espoused in this article a willingness to discuss with his critics at any time in case they make a point that changes his mind. How that can be viewed as anything other than good faith is beyond me.

Re: Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness?

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Post by krapp »

anonymousiam wrote: post #37
falcolas wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase has been co-opted; its meaning has changed. As happens with all languages, a phrase is not defined once and never changes, much to my chagrin.

Citations please? I was not aware of this. Who or which group has co-opted it, and for what purpose?

Here are several articles explaining[0,2] how that one phrase has been co-opted and misinterpreted to mean exactly the opposite of what MLK intended. If you're curious, Google can reveal many other discussions on this topic.

[0]https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/march-2018/martin-l...

[1]https://web.archive.org/web/20230410193113/https://academic....

[2]https://theconversation.com/ketanji-brown-jackson-and-the-co...

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