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Chomsky explains why nobody is a moral relativist

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Re: Chomsky explains why nobody is a moral relativist

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post #7

I start to dislike Chomsky more and more. His work in linguistic is over my head, maybe it's true, I can't tell. But whenever I hear him speak outside his niche his points are stupid (like this one) or harmful (like his Ukrainian takes). Everybody sees faces in rocks because we have brains fine-tuned for seeing faces. Does it prove that there's something universal in looking like a face or even worse - being a face?…

Two for one here: calling him stupid and a straw man.

Re: Chomsky explains why nobody is a moral relativist

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s also a genocide denier.

That's not true.

You're lying. It is true and a repeated decades long offense. He denies, when asked, each and every genocide that harms the reputation of socialism.

[https://youtu.be/VCcX_xTLDIY?si=v99y8DiJidzYOJES]

Re: Chomsky explains why nobody is a moral relativist

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post #10

There almost certainly isn't a universal moral code. For every abominable act you can think of - murder, slavery, even genocide -, we can find examples of human groups that glorified them, usually by evoking religion, group affiliation or a mix of both.

How do human groups glorifying immorality imply that there is no universal moral code? If the universal moral code exists outside of those groups, then it can be applied to their actions, and we can call them wrong for the thing they glorify.

Your very sentence implies a universal moral code. You are calling murder, slavery, and genocide wrong. By which standard do you know them to be wrong? Such a standard must necessarily exist outside of the groups that glorifies the things you correctly call abominations.

Edit: typos

Re: Chomsky explains why nobody is a moral relativist

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post #19
post #7

I start to dislike Chomsky more and more. His work in linguistic is over my head, maybe it's true, I can't tell. But whenever I hear him speak outside his niche his points are stupid (like this one) or harmful (like his Ukrainian takes). Everybody sees faces in rocks because we have brains fine-tuned for seeing faces. Does it prove that there's something universal in looking like a face or even worse - being a face?…

> But whenever I hear him speak outside his niche his points are stupid (like this one) or harmful (like his Ukrainian takes). Chomsky was always like this. He is an unapologetic hypocrite, constantly criticizing the U.S and "the west" while defending "socialist" country for the exact thing, and often even worse, than he was criticizing the U.S for. Even going as far as denying the existence of genocide during the Yu…

Can you cite him exactly on any of your points or are you paraphrasing what you have heard second hand?

Re: Chomsky explains why nobody is a moral relativist

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post #7

I start to dislike Chomsky more and more. His work in linguistic is over my head, maybe it's true, I can't tell. But whenever I hear him speak outside his niche his points are stupid (like this one) or harmful (like his Ukrainian takes). Everybody sees faces in rocks because we have brains fine-tuned for seeing faces. Does it prove that there's something universal in looking like a face or even worse - being a face?…

Well, at least it reduces the problem to the criterium of "health". At least you can individually decide it and use it to accept or reject relativism, treating it as a subjective belief itself :)

Hence, why debate relativism at all?

Re: Chomsky explains why nobody is a moral relativist

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true.

He is pretty open about it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_genocide_denial

I don’t know why people still defend Chomsky’s horrible positions on this stuff. Moreover his claim that Leninism is distinct from Stalinism was absolutely disproven when the soviet archives were briefly opened and scholars could read Lenin’s letters and memos, but Chomsky holds to the claim.

Re: Chomsky explains why nobody is a moral relativist

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post #16
post #7

I start to dislike Chomsky more and more. His work in linguistic is over my head, maybe it's true, I can't tell. But whenever I hear him speak outside his niche his points are stupid (like this one) or harmful (like his Ukrainian takes). Everybody sees faces in rocks because we have brains fine-tuned for seeing faces. Does it prove that there's something universal in looking like a face or even worse - being a face?…

Yeah I have to say he's always seemed like he made up his mind about the world by the 60s and hasn't really adjusted since. His Ukraine takes are right in line with his awful takes on the Cambodian genocide, which he still claims didn't happen.

which he *never* claimed didn't happen. You are another of those quickly educated on PragerU and similar Youtube channels but who never go to original sources?

Re: Chomsky explains why nobody is a moral relativist

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post #9

Moral relativism is the most absurd form of moral realism, which is itself an absurd position. I'd be more interested in an explanation for why so many otherwise intelligent people, who are more than capable of reasoning for themselves and holding well-defended, sensible positions, find themselves attracted to moral realism, a truly mystical belief that offends science, reason, and grade school grammar.

Why do you think it is absurd? I'd think a moral relativist could support science, reason, and grade school grammar while also believing it's due to cultural factors that are not inherently true.
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