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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by dkonofalski » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

magnio wrote: post #6

Most notable change to me: > Notes: Users can view PDFs and scans of presentations, assignments, research papers, and more right inside Notes. They can also create links from one note to another to relate ideas and content. Can I annotate on PDFs in Notes as well, obviating the need for Goodnotes and friends?

PDF Annotation is already a system-wide OS-level feature thanks to Preview so you should be able to.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by dmd » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

iamdamian wrote: post #27

dmd wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this upgrade require migrating off 1Password?

Updated to clarify. My expectation is that 1Password 7 won’t work on Sonoma. In my experience, AgileBits requires an upgrade for new versions of macOS. IIUC, 1Password 7 is also the last version that you can buy outright rather than paying for by subscription.

Thanks, that makes much more sense.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by thfuran » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

oidar wrote: post #23

webkike wrote: post #21

Please, for the love of god, add native window snapping.

I use the open source system tray app Rectangle for this.

Yeah, there are some third party addons, but the built in window management is appallingly primitive. It’s just bad.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by dpcx » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

iamdamian wrote: post #27

dmd wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this upgrade require migrating off 1Password?

Updated to clarify. My expectation is that 1Password 7 won’t work on Sonoma. In my experience, AgileBits requires an upgrade for new versions of macOS. IIUC, 1Password 7 is also the last version that you can buy outright rather than paying for by subscription.

I've never had a problem using 1Password 7 on updated versions of OSX. I'm in the same boat, and am still using 1Password 7 on Ventura after having upgraded through multiple OSs.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by capableweb » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

I still don't understand why Apple is so bent on coupling application updates together with OS updates.

I just want the new changes to Safari and Notes while I don't care about the other changes, why not have Safari be a normal application downloaded from the App Store, like the rest of us pleebs have to do when publishing apps?

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by mig39 » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

whalesalad wrote: post #15

I used to love the in depth reviews of macOS from John Siracusa. They aren’t the same since then, but I still tend to look to Ars for a full review before upgrading. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/macos-14-sonoma-the-...

Those reviews were the best. But you could tell they took a lot of time to write and prepare. Talk about thorough!

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by paradox460 » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #24

spicybright wrote: post #16

FINALLY we've come full circle and can have widgets on the desktop again! It's not like a revolutionary killer feature for me, but I just always preferred having information always in my "peripheral" instead of having to actively check a separate menu.

Wait when were widgets ever available on the desktop before? Years ago they were on a separate dashboard screen but that wasn't the desktop. This seems entirely new, not any kind of full circle. Edit: just to clarify, I'm talking about on Macs, not Windows.

Desktop Accessories were on Mac since 1984.

Konfabulator was a much more modern precursor to Dashboard, and existed in the early 00s. It put them directly on your desktop.

Also you could make Dashboard widgets stick around by changing a plist setting

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by dkonofalski » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

iamdamian wrote: post #27

dmd wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this upgrade require migrating off 1Password?

Updated to clarify. My expectation is that 1Password 7 won’t work on Sonoma. In my experience, AgileBits requires an upgrade for new versions of macOS. IIUC, 1Password 7 is also the last version that you can buy outright rather than paying for by subscription.

I reluctantly upgraded to the subscription for 1Pass after the last OS update but I'm glad I did. The features that the 1Pass team has added since then as well as the fact that the subscription includes apps for all their platforms has already paid itself off in my eyes.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:46 PM UTC

dpcx wrote: post #34

iamdamian wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Updated to clarify. My expectation is that 1Password 7 won’t work on Sonoma. In my experience, AgileBits requires an upgrade for new versions of macOS. IIUC, 1Password 7 is also the last version that you can buy outright rather than paying for by subscription.

I've never had a problem using 1Password 7 on updated versions of OSX. I'm in the same boat, and am still using 1Password 7 on Ventura after having upgraded through multiple OSs.

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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by capableweb » Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 5:46 PM UTC

thfuran wrote: post #33

oidar wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use the open source system tray app Rectangle for this.

Yeah, there are some third party addons, but the built in window management is appallingly primitive. It’s just bad.

Isn't that basically why you get Apple stuff in the first place, to have primitive but well-working things? They're not exactly famous for catering to professionals or people who want a customized experience.