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It’d be clearer if they just said “opted-in by default”.
"Enabled by default" would make more sense, and imply that it could be disabled.
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It definitely can be interpreted to mean that the telemetry is opt-in, or that it is opt-out. (“Opt-in by default” is a double positive, a less common sibling of the dreaded double negative)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t a double positive just a positive while a double negative is a positive? Opt-in by default: you are in You can’t not select opt-in: you are in
Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant. Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page. This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
It’d be clearer if they just said “opted-in by default”.
- Storybook unique identifier: One-way hash generated during Storybook
- One way hash of the IP address
I really doubt that that's "completely anonymous data"
Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant. Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page. This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
Sorta. The policy is "opt out" but you are "opted in" by default.
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"Opt" means to "To choose; select" [0]. If you opt in (i.e. make the choice to go in), that implies that you were not already in. In other words, it implies that the default (when you don't make a choice) is "out", i.e. disabled. "Opt-in" and "opt-out" describe what the default is, so adding "by default" doesn't make any sense. If you can choose to go in ("opt-in"), then the default is "out". If you can choose to go…
Opt in by participation is implicit all the time. If I play soccer I am not "opting in" to get hit by a ball, but rest assured, it is going to happen. There are topics dear to every subgroups heart, that the members will claim, surely must be exempt from this. As far as I can tell, the exemptions are mostly arbitrary.
This is essentially about checkboxes. “Enabled by default” would mean tracking is always on, but doesn’t tell you if it can be disabled by the user.
In the realm of privacy choices in software, we then started referring to these as “opt-in” (default off) or “opt-out” (default on) to communicate the default setting + the ability to change it.
Advertising trackers, for example, are mandated by law to be “opt-in” (they pre-select the checkbox for you of course, without submitting, but that’s a whole other story).
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"Opt" means to "To choose; select" [0]. If you opt in (i.e. make the choice to go in), that implies that you were not already in. In other words, it implies that the default (when you don't make a choice) is "out", i.e. disabled. "Opt-in" and "opt-out" describe what the default is, so adding "by default" doesn't make any sense. If you can choose to go in ("opt-in"), then the default is "out". If you can choose to go…
Opt in by participation is implicit all the time. If I play soccer I am not "opting in" to get hit by a ball, but rest assured, it is going to happen. There are topics dear to every subgroups heart, that the members will claim, surely must be exempt from this. As far as I can tell, the exemptions are mostly arbitrary.
In that scenario, the default is to not play soccer. If you want to play, you have to choose it, i.e. opt to play soccer, i.e. "opt in". So the default is that you're "out". Thus, playing soccer is "opt-in".
If people were born into soccer matches and had to actively try to escape, that would be "opt-out". You make a choice (opt) to escape out of the soccer match.
Notice that "opt-in" and "opt-out" describe the inverse of the default value: "opt-in" is the same as "out by default" and "opt-out" the same as "in by default". Mixing these phrases with opposite meanings (e.g. "opt-in by default") creates confusion, perhaps intentionally, about what the default value is.
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It’d be clearer if they just said “opted-in by default”.
No. To "opt" literally means "to make a choice". If the choice has been made for you, you are not "opted-in", you are in.
Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant. Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page. This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
The title is now "Telemetry" and 90% of the discussions makes no sense anymore.