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Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a sign of how bad the problem is, that tendency we have to “drive by looking in the rear view mirror” as McLuhan said, and the reality that the left has become polarized and painted itself into a corner on issues of sex and gender.

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Are the crazies those that you disagree with or don't like? That kind of language is exactly what is polarizing America.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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post #11

The left talks about this all of the time, as do the middle and right. Pretending otherwise makes me question whether the author is actually trying to help or simply sell his book.

>The left talks about this all of the time

They absolutely do NOT. The right has Jordan Peterson and a raft of people discussing men's issues. The left has NO equivalent. The silence is deafening. If you dare to bring up men's issues in education, parental rights, etc, you get lumped in with the MRA wackadoodles. The left is especially harsh in silencing dissent, and frankly every time it happens, you're pushing people further into the arms of the right wing.

Edit: exhibit A. This is the fastest I've had an innocuous comment go negative on hackernews. Tow the party line or be silenced I guess...

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

#33

The left does talk about it. Ridiculous article from jacobin.

Only from a 4th wave feminist lens which is unhelpful to male only issues. When Obama tried creating "My Brothers Keeper" program to help struggling AA boys, who got it shut down? Certainly wasn't the right wing.

> When Obama tried creating “My Brothers Keeper” program to help struggling AA boys, who got it shut down?

He didn’t try, he succeeded in 2014, and it remained in place as long as he was President, then it stopped being an Administration priority under Donald Trump and went away in 2017 (though the Obama Foundation then launched a similarly named grant program with similar purpose in 2018 which is still active.)

> Certainly wasn’t the right wing.

Except it absolutely was.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

#35
post #11

The left talks about this all of the time, as do the middle and right. Pretending otherwise makes me question whether the author is actually trying to help or simply sell his book.

Obviously there is a big disconnect between what we think and what you do from your comment. It's fair to ask why and examine it so we can get common ground here. Like seriously, we can't be living in different realities so there must be more to it.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

#36
post #7

For another take, here is what the right is saying. Worth a listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x17ip3ZwG0Q

Mike Rowe is a blatant shill for anti-labor practices and it's clear even in this clip.

I wouldn't go that far. I think he's just reflecting typical blue collar culture which tends to be more conservative

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only from a 4th wave feminist lens which is unhelpful to male only issues. When Obama tried creating "My Brothers Keeper" program to help struggling AA boys, who got it shut down? Certainly wasn't the right wing.

> When Obama tried creating “My Brothers Keeper” program to help struggling AA boys, who got it shut down? He didn’t try, he succeeded in 2014, and it remained in place as long as he was President, then it stopped being an Administration priority under Donald Trump and went away in 2017 (though the Obama Foundation then launched a similarly named grant program with similar purpose in 2018 which is still active.) > Ce…

I meant the original version.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

#38
post #7

For another take, here is what the right is saying. Worth a listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x17ip3ZwG0Q

Mike Rowe is a blatant shill for anti-labor practices and it's clear even in this clip.

Well, that makes it worth listening even more.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

#39

The left does talk about it. Ridiculous article from jacobin.

Only from a 4th wave feminist lens which is unhelpful to male only issues. When Obama tried creating "My Brothers Keeper" program to help struggling AA boys, who got it shut down? Certainly wasn't the right wing.

Can you unpack this a bit?

My recollection is that the program was initiated in 2014, with substantial contributions from private organizations. It was further funded in 2015 with more private sector contributions.

I believe it was shut down when Trump was inaugurated.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

#40
post #11

The left talks about this all of the time, as do the middle and right. Pretending otherwise makes me question whether the author is actually trying to help or simply sell his book.

There's enormously more focus within the left on the struggles of women and girls. Which makes a certain amount of sense, but boys and men certainly have their own serious problems.
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