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Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by teen »

daft_pink wrote: post #12
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

There's lots of people who take this sort of thing as reason to criminalize cannabis. Regardless of the problems, it is still a personal health issue. Criminalizing causes more harm than good.

I don't think people should be put in jail for cannabis. However, we shouldn't be devoting our tier 1 retail space or having startups with massive advertising budgets pushing it. It should be sold as a generic drug by pharmacies that make most of their business from other drugs not dispensary entrepreneurs creating massive retail brands like alcohol.

it's def not as bad as alcohol... considering alcohol causes drunk driving, liver issues, obesity, stomach cancer, domestic violence

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by senttoschool »

I just quit weed after getting addicted for almost 2 years.

There is a large community of people who are trying to quit: /r/leaves

The article is nothing new to me. Read a few posts from the subreddit and you'd see a pattern.

Three weeks ago, I was pro-weed recreation legalization. Today, I'm strongly anti recreation use.

Edit: I'm not against decriminalization of weed. I'm highly against pro-recreational use. I'm against high THC %, easy access, advertisements, sponsorships, etc. I believe weed should be classified as a highly addictive drug - especially to youth. We should not have weed stores. It should be sold behind the counter. It should have a very high tax so that it's not cheap. It should have huge, bold warning labels on packaging. It should not be legalized at the federal level.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by l33t7332273 »

eep_social wrote: post #21
daft_pink wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think people should be put in jail for cannabis. However, we shouldn't be devoting our tier 1 retail space or having startups with massive advertising budgets pushing it. It should be sold as a generic drug by pharmacies that make most of their business from other drugs not dispensary entrepreneurs creating massive retail brands like alcohol.

Sure let’s please do the same for alcohol and caffeine.

What is the health justification for banning caffeine?

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by BirAdam »

daft_pink wrote: post #12
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

There's lots of people who take this sort of thing as reason to criminalize cannabis. Regardless of the problems, it is still a personal health issue. Criminalizing causes more harm than good.

I don't think people should be put in jail for cannabis. However, we shouldn't be devoting our tier 1 retail space or having startups with massive advertising budgets pushing it. It should be sold as a generic drug by pharmacies that make most of their business from other drugs not dispensary entrepreneurs creating massive retail brands like alcohol.

I feel like you’re being quite morally prescriptive and advocating legislation on that basis. Is your life so grand or so poor that you cannot empathize with those who’d seek a high from something rather benign?

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by scythe »

>These findings may inform policies regarding the legal status and control of cannabis use.

But not without NNTs. For depression, OR = 1.8, NNT = 12 (assuming 10% lifetime incidence, this is very hard to estimate due to the difficulty in diagnosis). For bipolar disorder, OR = 3, NNT = 25. This is before accounting for any reverse causation: roughly 80% of incidence of BPD is associated with genetic variation.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by Gigachad »

daft_pink wrote: post #12
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

There's lots of people who take this sort of thing as reason to criminalize cannabis. Regardless of the problems, it is still a personal health issue. Criminalizing causes more harm than good.

I don't think people should be put in jail for cannabis. However, we shouldn't be devoting our tier 1 retail space or having startups with massive advertising budgets pushing it. It should be sold as a generic drug by pharmacies that make most of their business from other drugs not dispensary entrepreneurs creating massive retail brands like alcohol.

Capitalism says if people are willing to pay money for a product, then that product can buy retail space and have marketing budgets.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by l33t7332273 »

sandofsky wrote: post #26

I can't see the full study methodology without an account. That said… The challenge with running studies ethically is that you can't split your test groups into two groups and somehow induce cannabis use disorder and see if major depression, bipolar, etc results from it. Rather, you can see if the people who naturally develop the disorder also have those problems. The flaw in this reasoning is that people who develop…

How is correlation vs causation determined in other studies where a control group cannot be used?

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by octodog »

monero-xmr wrote: post #28

Every single chemical I put into my body has risk. Too much salt, caffeine / coffee, cheese, pasta / carbohydrates. When I drive a car I’m rolling the dice. When I let my 10 year old walk by himself to the subway, ride it to his friend’s house, and then ride it back, my mind can wander to all sorts of dangers. Marijuana is absolutely a drug with downsides. There are also upsides - for example I enjoy my life more. I…

Absolutely, nothing wrong with that.

It's important to understand the risks so that one can make informed choices. That is probably where there needs to be more research.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by labrador »

sandofsky wrote: post #26

I can't see the full study methodology without an account. That said… The challenge with running studies ethically is that you can't split your test groups into two groups and somehow induce cannabis use disorder and see if major depression, bipolar, etc results from it. Rather, you can see if the people who naturally develop the disorder also have those problems. The flaw in this reasoning is that people who develop…

Don't bother trying to read the full text. They ask for all your information then you still can't read it.
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