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It would have terrible range with the same footprint. Hydrogen has great energy density by mass but terrible energy density by volume. The tank needs to be huge (but it would be light).
Hydrogen has a higher energy density by volume compared to a li-ion battery. People really need to check their fact here.
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Idk what the 0-60 of my leaf is but I beat every one off the line when I want to. It makes me far more comfortable on the freeway to get all the power I want on demand to quickly and safely make a maneuver. I would never have considered it before owning an EV, but now that I have one, I'll definitely be considerate of it in my next EV purchase. Previously I had only had crappy used ICE vehicles, and the acceleration…
The Nissan Leaf has an official 0-100km/h sprint time of 7.9 seconds, while the Leaf e+ achieves a sprint time of 6.9 seconds. This is easily achievable by many ICE cars. You can get a Toyota Corolla that matches this (and I’m not talking about the GR Corolla).
Now nearly every mainstream sedan or minivan with a V6 will do that, often better.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would have terrible range with the same footprint. Hydrogen has great energy density by mass but terrible energy density by volume. The tank needs to be huge (but it would be light).
Hydrogen has a higher energy density by volume compared to a li-ion battery. People really need to check their fact here.
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#34I see way too many Toyota battery articles for a company that can barely put out an EV. They're all promises... in the future, they swear they'll beat everyone, but they just released a Lexus EV at $60k with 196mi range and 5sec 0-60.
Overcompensating from their statements that EVs were a fad and hydrogen was the way to go?
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Idk what the 0-60 of my leaf is but I beat every one off the line when I want to. It makes me far more comfortable on the freeway to get all the power I want on demand to quickly and safely make a maneuver. I would never have considered it before owning an EV, but now that I have one, I'll definitely be considerate of it in my next EV purchase. Previously I had only had crappy used ICE vehicles, and the acceleration…
Depends on the year, it used to be around 11s, latest models brought it down to 8-7 seconds. Normal ICE cars are in the 12-18s range, sometimes 5s is ridiculously fast and that kind of acceleration should _never_ be used in the middle of traffic or city roads.
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#36I see way too many Toyota battery articles for a company that can barely put out an EV. They're all promises... in the future, they swear they'll beat everyone, but they just released a Lexus EV at $60k with 196mi range and 5sec 0-60.
> 5sec 0-60. When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Do you even know the 0-60 of your car? Do you realize how quick 5 second is to 60mph? Most sports cars of a generation ago couldn't touch that. Why do you feel it needs to be faster? It's plain dangerous to inexperienced drivers.
The more important questions (for me) are how well it handles on curves, how efficient it is and what the range is.
The energy efficiency and weight (in American metrics) are 5.32 mi/kwh (extremely good), and a bit over 4000 lbs (pretty heavy; makes me wonder about handling), with well under 300 miles of range, depending on conditions.
So... It looks like it'd appeal to the people I know that buy Lexus cars. That's not me, but I hope they sell a lot of them.
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Hydrogen has a higher energy density by volume compared to a li-ion battery. People really need to check their fact here.
Hydrogen is a gas, which expands or compresses to fill all available space, so its density varies. People really need to check their understanding of physics here.
Hydrogen vehicles have the advantage of being refillable in minutes, much like petrol based vehicles - yet the only byproduct is water vapor, making them completely environmentally friendly.
Hydrogen is also hugely abundant, and renewable in the sense that the water vapor could theoretically be split again via some other process.
I would really like to know more about why Hydrogen vehicles did not take off as much as electric. They seem superior in many ways.
My guess would be the chicken and egg problem - few Hydrogen refilling stations nation-wide vs. you can plug in at home and charge for 18 hours or whatever.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hydrogen has a higher energy density by volume compared to a li-ion battery. People really need to check their fact here.
Hydrogen is a gas, which expands or compresses to fill all available space, so its density varies. People really need to check their understanding of physics here.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends on the year, it used to be around 11s, latest models brought it down to 8-7 seconds. Normal ICE cars are in the 12-18s range, sometimes 5s is ridiculously fast and that kind of acceleration should _never_ be used in the middle of traffic or city roads.
My Tesla’s 0-60 makes a huge difference in normal driving, because the acceleration profile at low speeds is a lot more “do the right thing now”. Driving my minivan or other ICE cars feels laggy to me now.
I'm not flooring it, but when I make a speed adjustment, it happens 'right away'. There is no delay. Its immediate.
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#40I see way too many Toyota battery articles for a company that can barely put out an EV. They're all promises... in the future, they swear they'll beat everyone, but they just released a Lexus EV at $60k with 196mi range and 5sec 0-60.
> 5sec 0-60. When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Do you even know the 0-60 of your car? Do you realize how quick 5 second is to 60mph? Most sports cars of a generation ago couldn't touch that. Why do you feel it needs to be faster? It's plain dangerous to inexperienced drivers.
It's fair to point out that, eg, a Corvette from 1960 was slower than 5 seconds for 0-60, but you don't have to be a total gearhead to want to be the fastest off the light.