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French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Post by stinos »

sebstefan wrote: post #24
NavinF wrote: post #3

> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

The sun has ionizing radiations, this doesn't Weird that we're regulating for 4W/kg of non-ionizing radiations

Weird that we're regulating for that

Not sure if you really mean that, but how is that so weird? It's a not man-made phenomenon and the regulation would go against freedom in far more serious ways than this regulation does. Likewise there is (in some countries) regulation against solarbeds but nog against the sun. However there is advice everywhere on how to deal with the sun: stay out of it at certain times and places. If you can and want.

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Post by Forgotthepass8 »

jmaker wrote: post #13
Forgotthepass8 wrote: post #4

Medical limits are 4W/kg, I'm amazed they're this far off.

The German agency responsible for this states it’s 2 W/kg, see https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/emf/mobile-communication/protec...

I was thinking of MRI where I believe the limit is universally taken to be 4W/kg in the head region (Torso can be higher)

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Post by sigilis »

archerx wrote: post #30
NavinF wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the power levels we're talking about (5W)? Of course I would. The effects are well known: It heats your hands up at 5 joules per second. Incidentally, Tech Ingredients has a great video on using microwave ovens without an enclosure and how to block similar directed energy weapons that use a lot more than 5W: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_aUOSLuRo

Go right a head then but I know prolonged no distance (touching skin) exposure to wifi RF antenna will burn you from the inside out. It was painful but it heals fast.

What makes you say things like this that are easily verifiably false? I am reaching over and touching my WiFi router’s antennas right now and I’m not being “painfully burned from the inside out.”

I’m hoping the answer is a desire to make a joke and not something that indicates a disconnection with reality.

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Post by sebstefan »

stinos wrote: post #31
sebstefan wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sun has ionizing radiations, this doesn't Weird that we're regulating for 4W/kg of non-ionizing radiations

Weird that we're regulating for that Not sure if you really mean that, but how is that so weird? It's a not man-made phenomenon and the regulation would go against freedom in far more serious ways than this regulation does. Likewise there is (in some countries) regulation against solarbeds but nog against the sun. However there is advice everywhere on how to deal with the sun: stay out of it at certain times and plac…

The "that" was referring to the regulation of 4W/kg for non-ionizing radiations in consumer electronics, not the sun

Maybe the phrasing was ambiguous

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Post by SigmundA »

archerx wrote: post #30
NavinF wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the power levels we're talking about (5W)? Of course I would. The effects are well known: It heats your hands up at 5 joules per second. Incidentally, Tech Ingredients has a great video on using microwave ovens without an enclosure and how to block similar directed energy weapons that use a lot more than 5W: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_aUOSLuRo

Go right a head then but I know prolonged no distance (touching skin) exposure to wifi RF antenna will burn you from the inside out. It was painful but it heals fast.

Just because touching a 1000w lightbulb will burn you does not mean a milliwatt led will. Getting burns is based heat which is based on power absorption, and phones do not put out enough power give you RF burns no matter how long you hold them against you.

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Post by RugnirViking »

PetitPrince wrote: post #22
NavinF wrote: post #3

> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

> Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation It's not halting sunrise but there's a directive[1] that basically says (amongst other) "don't work under the sun without protection". [1] Amended proposal for a Council Directive on the minimum Health and Safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents — Individual D…

well yes? Can you imagine working on a hot building site for 8+ with no sun shelter provided or even allowed onsite? a simple gazebo is a godsend, and very cheap for employers to provide, its no surprise something like that would be regulated.

Heat exhaustion and skin cancer are common in those kinds of industries.

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Post by SigmundA »

NavinF wrote: post #29
archerx wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A microwave oven has produces non-ionizing radiation, would you put your hand inside one while it's on? It's non-ionizing so it should be 100% safe right?

At the power levels we're talking about (5W)? Of course I would. The effects are well known: It heats your hands up at 5 joules per second. Incidentally, Tech Ingredients has a great video on using microwave ovens without an enclosure and how to block similar directed energy weapons that use a lot more than 5W: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_aUOSLuRo

Its not 5W in the EU its based on 10g of mass so its at least 100 times less than that which makes it more ridiculous, mobile phones transmit at 300 milliwatts peak omnidirectionally.

They are like holding a fast blinking very dim led light and being worried about getting burned or some other undiscovered physical phenomenon from EM while staring at a monitor putting much more into your face.

Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12

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Post by SigmundA »

PetitPrince wrote: post #22
NavinF wrote: post #3

> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation

> Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation It's not halting sunrise but there's a directive[1] that basically says (amongst other) "don't work under the sun without protection". [1] Amended proposal for a Council Directive on the minimum Health and Safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents — Individual D…

Cellphone level limits on light would be like requiring you stay inside with blinds closed and no lights on and you would probably still exceed them.
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