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Re: Credit card debt collection

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You are my hero

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I can count on one hand the number of times in my entire life that I've agreed to a price for a healthcare service in advance and they actually billed me the agreed upon price and no more.

Re: Credit card debt collection

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You can file a dispute[0] about items with credit reporting services. The reporter has a time window to reply with supporting evidence. If they don't, you win the dispute by default. If they do, you can dispute it again. I had a completely BS negative mark on my credit report[1]. I ran that process in a loop (maybe 3-4 iterations IIRC) until the reporter was either bored with it, annoyed by the paperwork, or on vacat…

>I eventually had to involve my senator You say that the way a teacher might say "I'm going to have to involve your parents". How does one get a senator involved in a payment dispute?

> How does one get a senator involved in a payment dispute?

You call your senator's office and speak to constituent services.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R44726.pdf (Congressional Research Service: Constituent Services: Overview and Resources)

Re: Credit card debt collection

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> The former advocate in me will observe that the single most effective method for resolving debts is carefully sending a series of letters invoking one’s rights under the FDCPA (and other legislation) Can we get a summary of which letters / rights to invoke?

Patrick has previously written the exact guide you're after on his personal blog:

https://www.kalzumeus.com/2017/09/09/identity-theft-credit-r...

It is also fantastically well written.

Re: Credit card debt collection

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When they agreed to the service 12+ years ago, were they shown the costs? Would you say their purchase was fully informed? Hell for all we know it was an ER visit and they had absolutely no say in the matter.

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Re: Credit card debt collection

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> I will bet you that, in practice, they simply avoid collecting against anyone who demonstrates ability and financial resources to enforce their rights. This is one for the history books of borked equilibriums. We devoted substantial efforts to pro-consumer legislation to address abuse of (mostly) poor people. We gated redress behind labor that is abundantly available in the professional managerial class and scarce outside of it, like writing letters and counting to 30 days. (People telling me they were incapable of doing these two things is why I started ghostwriting letters for debtors.) We now have literal computer programs exempting heuristically identified professional managerial class members from debt collection, inclusive of their legitimate debts, so that debt collectors can more profitably conserve their time to do abusive and frequently illegal shakedowns of the people the legislation was meant to benefit.

That is such a common pattern. Growing up, I saw the same happen with the German welfare system: there's enough of a social safety net in that country that no one would have to be homeless. But, to access the social safety net, you have to navigate some minimal amount of bureaucracy and paperwork.

That bar isn't very high, but if you have at least that minimal skill with paperwork literacy, you are also much more likely to have a job and much less likely to need the welfare.

So all in all, Germany still has homeless people, despite welfare programs generous enough in principle that no one needs to be homeless.

Addendum: Singapore has an ingenious system to ration the amount of subsidies you get on hospital bills without any bureaucracy. The basic idea is that when you go for a hospital stay, you get to pick how much etxra creature comforts you are getting, like your own private room vs an open word with many beds. The copay for the fancier options rises 'progressively' enough, that the absolute amount of government subsidy goes down. People tend to self-sort voluntarily.

The medical care you receive is the same for any of the options.

I can imagine an argument that this is somehow against the dignity of poor people to put them into comparatively crowded wards, and that everyone should get the same treatment (like eg the British NHS does, modulo the option to go to a private hospital for enough money). But I suspect many of the poorer people are happier to put up with that 'indignity' than with paperwork and privacy-invading bureaucratic means testing.

In total, adding up private and public expenditures, Singapore spends about half as much on healthcare as a proportion of GDP than the UK does, which spends about half as much as the US. Medical outcomes are no worse in the cheaper systems.

Re: Credit card debt collection

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Weren't there reports back in the Occupy Wall Street days of people organizing to buy up debt like this and then just forgive it all?

It sounds like debts are sold in such bulk that there's no way to do something very targeted, like starting an org in your town to buy debt from your ZIP and collecting contributions to cancel your neighbors' debts, but if these debts are already only worth 5¢ on the dollar to the sellers, it seems like it would make quite a news story if you could.

If I could buy up $2000 of my neighbors' debt for $100 and remove that burden from them? I think I would, at least occasionally.

But even if you don't assume goodwill, if the whole community knew the plan was to buy and cancel everyone's debt, you could probably get the debtors themselves to band together to do it!

Re: Credit card debt collection

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When they agreed to the service 12+ years ago, were they shown the costs? Would you say their purchase was fully informed? Hell for all we know it was an ER visit and they had absolutely no say in the matter.

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That reminds me of the time I went to my favorite local restaurant for my annual complimentary dinner and received a bill the following month for $150 then received another bill several weeks later for a further $175.

Re: Credit card debt collection

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When they agreed to the service 12+ years ago, were they shown the costs? Would you say their purchase was fully informed? Hell for all we know it was an ER visit and they had absolutely no say in the matter.

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Anyone who has ever interacted with the US health care system knows that getting an accurate quote in advance is nearly impossible.

Re: Credit card debt collection

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> The former advocate in me will observe that the single most effective method for resolving debts is carefully sending a series of letters invoking one’s rights under the FDCPA (and other legislation) Can we get a summary of which letters / rights to invoke?

Patrick has previously written the exact guide you're after on his personal blog: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2017/09/09/identity-theft-credit-r... It is also fantastically well written.

That is an interesting read indeed. I found the parts about not showing anger and not pretending to write like a lawyer to be particularly illuminating.
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